Male Fitness Model

bro i have used t3 for 6 months straight before,tapered off,had bloods done,thyroid levels were fine...

But do you not think long term it could have effects on the thyroid??? Like later on in life, your thyroid says screw you, and then you become FAT!

DJ: Do you think fitness models are on Carb Cycling all year round?

bro with age thyroid out put diminishes,this is life,plain and simple,so u might be producing 30mcg now by the age of 60 u will be producing 15mcg... the getting fat thing happens from over eating,small amounts of muscle mass and unhealthy life style patterns,if you keep active,eat health then u will have nothing to worry about,there are studies done that thyroid shut down from use of t3 isnt possible... its only with age u have to worry about....

Is there any way to measure the t3 that your body might be currently producing??

Just add the test for T3/4 to your bloods. Easy as that.

what dosage of GH do these guys run all year round?

If Kefei then something in the region of 5IU two days on one day off.

Vega would you consider using a 10IU vial over a period of 4 days with 2 days off a waste of time (this would then be followed for about 6 months)? That would give you something like 2.22IU/day for those 4 days

ABC01 wrote: Vega would you consider using a 10IU vial over a period of 4 days with 2 days off a waste of time (this would then be followed for about 6 months)? That would give you something like 2.22IU/day for those 4 days

That protocol won't work with Chinese GH. I know GH is not cheap but if used properly over 6 months+ there isn't such an effective drug IMO.

It woud would be the product syntropin (somatropin). Probally also chinese. So you wont go for lesser than 5IU per day then?

Correct yes. If Chinese the 5IU will be your best bet. Try to get KeFei, really good value and quite a bit cheaper than others.

8 to 10iu a day, 1 on 1 off. Nice protocol and works, shots must be split, morning and afternoon an you still have natural GH kicking in your 3rd phase of your sleep cycle..

oopump... Would the 2nd shot be before or after gym in the afternoon?

Would Insulin help at all with a fitness physique?

Hmm, insulin is a product I would prefer most people to stay clear off.

GH does play a part with insulin resistance and some of my friends who are serious bodybuilders use Insulin with it.

GH After Gym would be fine, and if you did want to use Insulin this would be a good time but just make sure you monitor yourself, start off with around 2units of a short acting insulin and see how your body reacts. Warn people you with that you will be using insulin as sometimes you drop so quickly that you completely out of it and can't comprehend or know how to eat, this is when your brain is being starved of glucose.

At 2 units you shouldn't drop that low, but then again if you have very stable sugar levels you might not be used to even the slightest shift in your readings. So play it safe, buy a glucose pen in case somebody needs to inject you due to you not being able to taking syrup or being able to drink an energade (Energade is probably one of the best things to take if you going low) If you not able to then syrup works wonders, even if you not able to consume it due to slipping into a coma a friend can rub it on your gums and your body should respond to that also within minutes.

However to play it safe keep that pen on you at all times.

Thanks for the explanation!

When you say 2 units... do you mean on the insulin syringe?
Would taking insulin without GH be okay or pointless?

What results would you get from using insulin (Size, Strength etc etc etc)?

Thanks

Insulin drives glycogen from carbs and amino acids from protein.

If you look at my brother who is a diabetic, you will see he is shredded nails and very well defined if you compare him to his his twin, who eats and trains the same but without being diabetic.

Insulin is dirt cheap so using it is not expensive, I have a fridge full of it, and ye I mean full. Problem is its long term, so I wouldn't advise taking that

2 units I mean is 2 units, depending on the ratio to what you injecting. Most insulin these days comes in pens, so all you do is turn the dial to 2, pinch a bit of skin on your tummy, slide the needle in and press

Be prepared it's going to hit you in no time..

I would say insulin is best used when bulking, as I wouldn't use it with complex carbs, more simple carbs to quickly shoot out of the low, hence the reason I said best used after a workout as you can feed your muscles in no time. Stuff your face with some short acting carb and some whey and your body will really feel it.

The problem with Insulin in my head is the same with injecting testosterone, your body shuts down it's natural supply. Now my biggest fear is your pancreas deciding it is no longer going to supply insulin and the only way to get around this is to be a stem cell guinea pig. The problem with stem cells is you not sure if you going to land up growing another arm, or a tail, lol...

So then you stuck on insulin for the rest of your life and that is freakin pain in the ass, not because its difficult to monitor because its just a pain, before you eat anything you need to test, then you need to remeber how your body reacted to every bit of food you might consider eating. The other problem is to run around 4.5 / 7 is next to impossible. So you going to land up with this yoyo effect and going to suffer from severe head aches and in time if you continue to run high you will damage your eyes, maybe even have a limb or something cut off due to circulation.

So keep it safe.. Yes insulin does work, but have you achieved what you can without it ?

Points VERY well made!
Thank you, what you say makes sense...
I guess we are always looking for a cheap or easy way out...
Thank goodness for Forums like this, so we dont make stupid mistakes and then its too late.

Imo most of these dudes will be on clenbuterol / T3, propionate, winstrol, HGH as stated above and even trenbalone at low dosages.

I would imagine their would be on hight protein, low carbs and high fats.

Training would also consist of high reps and lots of cardio. Just my O2 cents worth...

Well... i have changed my training accordingly...
The diet is coming right... making changes every 2 weeks to see what actually works best for me.
Starting GH (4 iu a day... 2iu as i wake and 2iu straight after gym) in the next week or so, with probably some Test and Heat.

Not sure which Test would be the best... need to gain a bit more size before i start dieting down....???

Howzit bro, IMO go with prop rather than the longer esters. I reckon if you are seeking a fitness model physique then prop will give you a dryer, harder looking muscle. Also from my experience the estrogen build up from the longer esters seems to be more than prop and cause more fat retention (could be water weight but it looks like fat and is a mission to get rid of through diet/fat burners).

What GH you using Mr_SA?

Either Norditrophin or Keifei (Not the Chinese one.. still deciding.

If you've got the cash, then no doubt go with Nordi. That stuff is insane, better than humatrope IMO.

keifei or kefei?

Keifei.. I have read up, and it seems better quality than Kefei (Chinese).. Do you agree with this DJ? Or which GH would you recommend?

The only thing is Nordi will not last long at all. For a few bucks more, i can get 100iU's of Keifei which will last probably around a month @ 4iU a day.

I heard of Nordi that comes in 75iU.... does this seem right?

no i dont agree... biotech kefei is the one u want. kefei or norditropin or humatropin is the only gh that will get my money.