Help ?? advice please?

Greetings,

I am on a cycle, 700mg DECA + 900mg test enthate per week.. A bit rough I know.. I stuck to my old routine and noticed no improved Then I also noticed that I never had any aches or pains from training.. so I tried increasing the exercises.. and this didnt work either.. So I started training everyday for almost an hour and a half.. and now I noticing a consistant pump and it looks like I am getting hard and noticeably bigger over a week...

Should I be training everyday? I am training different muscles groups.. but sometimes I add a bit of yesterdays workout.. My recovery seems almost instant... So I assume based on the amount of test in my body, my previous 5 day workout was not enuff...

I normally split it... back & bicep, chest & ticep, shoulders and legs... and have one day rest inbetween each exercise day

Since I started over-training majorly on this cycle I am noticing a difference and really quickly too....

Whats the story here? People should train more on than off?

The whole point of gear is to increase strength rapidly as well as recovery, so that you can train the same muscle group more often than when you are off gear and hence why you grow so quickly. You still gotta be careful of overtraining but I think five days a week in the gym is fine

Hi Beesting,, maybe my body is different? I dont know... If I dont train like insanely everyday it has no effect on me what so ever.. okay maybe a small effect, but not what you would expect from the mg of test in my body... Like I was stuck on the same level of bench weight etc.. then i went i started doing it everyday and suddenly my weight and strength on that specific exercise is increasing rapidly.. and I mean RAPIDLY.. like very quick faster than anything I have had before... But before that for 4 weeks on the cycle nothing happened...

My guess is that there was a synergistic as well as a 'saturation' effect at four weeks. I think it was just timing that you increased ur training at the same time as when ur blood levels became stabilized and receptors saturated with all the anabolics. How long is your cycle?

4 weeks?
HAHAHAHAHA
Test just kicked in.:laugh: SCHWEEEEET!
Wait another 3 for the Deca.

If your cycle is 10 weeks, you will now start understanding why i said Deca should be run for LOOOOOOONG!

Its like this freakin Tren Ace - It may be harsh - so everyone says, but here at week 6,5 im exploding! Someone that tells me that a TrenA cycle should only be 4-6 weeks i just cant agree with. Not the conventional cycle anyway.

Maybe if you ram 150mg TrenAce + 200mg TestProp ED for 4 weeks?? The same EOD will take longer IMO.

8-12 weeks would be optimal for my body. I'll get the tests done.

I have Zero sides at the moment. (I do take plenty precaution).

Like the Rabbit said the Test just kicked in. Long esters such as Test E take like 4 - 6 weeks before they really kick in.

I am on the Max OT training program. Loving it. Maybe you should try it.

Vision, how long did you wait between your lasts cycle and this current one?

jackrabbit1 wrote:

4 weeks?
I do take plenty precaution.

Anything novel and interesting?

Well, I guess the test just kicked in then... I am running the cycle for 20 weeks My off period from last cycle was just over 2 months... I had a bad start on the dbols for front loading, they didnt seem to work all that well.. but everything else seems to be doing its job..

Inja wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote:

4 weeks?
I do take plenty precaution.

Anything novel and interesting?

Nah,

Cranberry caps, extract. 3 X
Legalon X 6
Animal Pak X 2
B6 X 8(25mg)
Folic Acid
EFA

vision wrote:

....I am running the cycle for 20 weeks....

I personally think you will be happy with that decision.

Hope you have HCG and will do Doctari's PCT?

vision wrote:

Well, I guess the test just kicked in then... I am running the cycle for 20 weeks My off period from last cycle was just over 2 months... I had a bad start on the dbols for front loading, they didnt seem to work all that well.. but everything else seems to be doing its job..

Don't you think two months is a bit short? The PCT on a Deca cycle is about 4-6 weeks so that doesn't leave you with a lot of time for recovery.

Indeed it might be a little short, 5 weeks +/- but I was in a hurry to get back on

What do you guys think of people going around saying you should bridge your cycles? I assume it can have its toll in the long term???

What's your stats?

Stats are: 180cm, 85kilos, pretty hard. Training for one year before first cycle. Training for 3 years now, 3rd cycle. Diet is low carb high protein, but it varies a little when it comes calories, but I feed myself almost 5 to 8 meals a day... Eat clean, but I wount lie, not 100% perfect all the time. Bench 100kilos, bicep curl 40kilos... Spend a-lot of time on the road running once a week to keep fat down.. which seems to work pretty well. I am committed to getting the most out of this cycle, and improving where I can... Its a life style I am always working on, and learning new things So I am bit of a newbie even though I did my home work. I am well aware of the side effects.. even though they still scare me, they only harsh side effect thus far is acne on my back and shoulders.. I also seem to be going through some flue like symptoms every single time I start again... I am not prone to stuff like gyno but I do have things at hand when shit hits the fan

Hope that gives you guys an idea of where I come from...

All seems good. I just think you could have waited a while longer as your results would have been better. What do you have in minds for PCT? Why would you go for Deca and not equi being quite a fit individual? Because you run I would think that all the extra water weight would not do you any good? In your particular case I think equi would have worked tit! Deca is for fat bastards that wants to be big and doesn't care too much about body fat %.

thanks for the reply vega

I am focused now on gaining as much "mass" as possible. I thought DECA would be a good start, even though it doesnt do as much quality mass as equipose. I am still only concentrating on getting my size and core. Yeah the DECA is making the running a tad difficult, but if I don't run I gain some unwanted weight, unless I really clean up my diet too much.. but then I woun't gain as fast if I have to cut on cals...

PCT wise I haven't seen the one Doctari did.. But my plan was to run some letrozole towards the end and during PCT. Also hitting Ovidril (cant get my hands on pregnyl) and running clomid double dose first week then second week 1 tab per day... Not running Kessar, not a good idea with DECA or atleast so I understand...

I need to find a doctor that can do some blood work too, without having too many questions... any advice?

Where is doctari PCT? I can always add, still a long time to go.. so If plan on changing stuff now would be a good time to start ordering...

Thanks for everyone responding.. you guys rock! This forum is a life saver!

Only use Letro if estrogen side presents as the sides are pretty shit and stop using it as your cycle ends. Two of the forum's most experienced members, Inja and 00pump has disproved the theory that you can't use kessar with deca. I would just suggest that you start kessar at the earliest two weeks after your cycle ends and don't use it with clomid. Doctari's PCT is under the PCT section.