Training and Diet advice

Hi, I have been browsing thru this site for long and finally thought i should ask my 1st question. Most of my friends wanted to start with their roid cycles but i read a lot about people saying it is stupid to do it before you have reached your natural peak wich i know im far from.

Can any1 here please help me with a training program and if possible a diet and supplements plan as well.

Stats: I am 17 turning 18 next month, i have been gyming for about 3 years and have never used anything exept the normal creatine monhydrate and usn pure whey. I gym on off becuase of school and rugby but started this year uninterrupted.
Weight: 88Kg
Height: 1.85m
BF : 14%

All comments welcome plz!

Welcome bro

Your stats sound pretty decent..fok..I wish I weighed 88kg when I was 18!! I weighed 72kg in matric!

Anyways..yes you are correct..always try reach your genetic potential naturally before getting on to gear!! Always better to build a solid foundation then hit gear..and you still young bro..you can still gain lotsa mass naturally..at that height you can reach 100kg no prob with the correct training and diet Your stats at the moment aren't bad at all..keep up the good work!!

take a look at Heavy Duty training by Mike Mentzer..he claimed you can reach you genetic potential within a year!! And ill stand by that..i gained alota size in m first 8 months.

As for supplements..no test boosters needed..youre a test factory at your age!! so stick with the basics..glutamine..BCAA..protein..pre-workouts etc. and obviously a good solid diet!!

wernerspan wrote: Most of my friends wanted to start with their roid cycles
What does their cycles consist off?

but i read a lot about people saying it is stupid to do it before you have reached your natural peak wich i know im far from.
We not saying its stupid, IT IS STUPID !

Oupa: Mostly their cycles consist of orals only or test only.

Snitch: The problem with a good diet is that i still live with my parents and cant really eat different from them... the only real thing i can do is eat alot of eggs. atm i try to eat everything i can get my hands on except bread and sweets or atleast try.And can i use Nutritech mass builder? its 5Kg for R370 at the gym and for a pre workout R290 for bererker... any thoughts on that?

You probably only eat supper with them right?? You prob busy during the day..school..sports etc.

So no prob..eat what they put on the table for supper.. But during the day im pretty sure you can eat accordingly?? Cook your meals the night before..takes you 20-30min! Then pack in 2-3 lunch boxes for school and you sorted..try eat 4-5 solid meals a day.

I know of berseker..never tried it though..i like MP Assault or NO.xplode..yes you can use a mass builder..nutritech is good..isn't full of sugar and crap! Use it post workout and if u want..to replace a meal during the day somewhere!

NO NO NO Mass Builders!! Vitargo, waxy maize, maltodextrin, are simple fast digesting carbs and should only be used close to a workout! These are not the complex carbs packed with nutrients that you need to grow!!

@Werner: Do you friends know what a PCT is? Have they heard of gynecomastia?

@ pyro

Whats wrong with vitargo,waxy etc?? after a workout you wana replenish your muscle glycogen stores as soon as possible.. thats where these come in handy?? So straight after a workout you can ingest these, spikes insulin, uptake is therefore better, muscle glycogen is restored etc. then an hour after that you can have a good solid meal which will further enhance the anabolic process and replenishment etc..a meal straight after a workout wont help you asap (60 min window) after a workout, takes time to digest etc..so you will only b getting the proteins etc after a few hours!

Not attacking you in any way bro this is just how I see it..please feel free to give me your opinion

Hence it is why I said it should be used close to a workout hey. When you tell youngsters it is okay to use a Mass Builder it is very important to specify where and when because their tjommies will probably tell them abandon food altogether and only drink the Mass Builder.

Sorry bro, misunderstood you there, when you said it should be used close to a workout, thought you meant close to starting a workout.. lol.. thats why I mentioned he should consume at least 4-5 solid meals a day, and a shake post workout and if push comes to shove, if he cant have a proper meal then a shake is all good.. rather that than nothing at all

guys just a reminder. when starting a new thread you need to make the subject more descriptive.

please dont make it 'need help', or 'please help'.

it helps fellow members when searching for topics

thanks lads

So I must drink the mass builder before workout with the berserker? and take my BCAA and glutamine with my multi vits in the morning? and thank you for the feedback!

no bro..read carefully mass builder you use straight after your workout then an hour afer that get a good meal in.

Use you BCAA's with your pre-workout and with your shake after your workout if you want
Glutamine you take with your shake after workout..helps speed up recovery, can be used anytime though

aah okay thank you! Will update stats in a few weeks again

Cool bro goodluck

And stay away from juice...

Good luck, keep us posted..