Strength to body weight ratio

Is that 70kgs including or minus the bar?

I'd say your deadlifts are lacking quite a bit even for a 10 rep range.

An example, one of my guys this weekend at 88kg raw and natural hit

170kg squat
201kg deadlift
130kg bench

Another one of my guys at 91kg raw and natural

170kg squat
160kg bench
260kg deadlift

These guys are "average" guys with solid training.

Oh, and as for "what ya curl?" - Anyone asking that question has got their priorities completely screwed?!

That makes me feel like a girl ha ha

rvp01 wrote: That makes me feel like a girl ha ha

hahaha sorry RVP

Also, as well as being raw and natural - those guys only use creatine and BCAA/Leucine. No preworkout stuff and none of the other crap supplements out there. They just eat well.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: One thing I have noticed is its hard to push yourself to the limits if you gym alone, I have been eyeing the 40's but doubt I'll get them up! If you have a partner to help you get up the weights initially it helps alot!

I know what you mean bro. Last year I was training at a diff gym and the times I used to go, i used to be the only one there. So one day, i said fucking,bring on the 40's nobody's gonna laugh if i cant make it. Ended up doing 2 sets of 12 reps each. Now Im training all alone at VA and im shit skrik of grabbing those 40's and acting like "the man"

A spotting partner really does help

Why don't you okes ask one of the trainers to spot for you??

rvp01 wrote: Why don't you okes ask one of the trainers to spot for you??

yeah im thinking of that. Wanna go for a really really hardcore monday chest workout net week. My wife trains with me but shes scared of those weights lol

Aqueel wrote:

rvp01 wrote: Why don't you okes ask one of the trainers to spot for you??

yeah im thinking of that. Wanna go for a really really hardcore monday chest workout net week. My wife trains with me but shes scared of those weights lol

Just make sure that if a trainer or someone does spot you, that they don't touch the weight at all, unless it's the last rep and you're not going to make it. Too many trainers I see, are touching the weight or the client and then saying "all you" - no it's not all you.

Wimmas wrote: I am useless! I weigh 74kg and bench 70kg max for my last set which is 6-8reps....

broer. Id say that's not to bad compared to your weight. I managed to brake my record because i was forced to use heavier weights. I did the 70kg for 12 reps instead of 10. :woohoo:

Technically i should be able to press 75kgs now for 10 reps. and 85kgs for 6 reps and my weight is 89kg now. And if i compare that to what you press for your weight, id say the ratio is pretty much the same!

DC EVO wrote: I'd say your deadlifts are lacking quite a bit even for a 10 rep range.

An example, one of my guys this weekend at 88kg raw and natural hit

170kg squat
201kg deadlift
130kg bench

Another one of my guys at 91kg raw and natural

170kg squat
160kg bench
260kg deadlift

These guys are "average" guys with solid training.

evo, what rep ranges do they use? you gonna make me wanna quit if i compare myself to those okes. I've been lifting for ten years and im not even close. But on the other hand, as i said, i wasn't really strong to start off with...always been a puny-skinnyfat-bastard. No sport in school, couch potato guy! i'm not proud :silly:

Megusta, are those excercises you listed your first excercise you do for the specific muscle group?

Like the other guys said, everybody's got their weakness, I bench more than I squat and I can't do pull-ups to save my life, haha!

ya thats the first exercises of a group. I can do 12 wide grip pull ups though with good form.

Does anyone of you get bad lower back pumps from deadlift or squat?. Sometime i deadlift just fine and sumtime i get bad back pumps. I've heard about guys on d-bols or is it var? getting bad back pumps.

Form should be your main concern. I try not to compare the weights i do with others. I am not interested in becoming a "strongman". I just want a good balanced physique. If your form is correct and you push your weight to failure around the 8-12 rep mark, you will grow. It is frustrating getting to a point where you actually want to go a bit heavier but it is only possible with a spotter. I have been training alone for last couple of years. Having a gym partner has a mental advantage as well. The couple of times where people joined me i found myself pushing either heavier weight or failing at a higher rep number

DC EVO wrote: Oh, and as for "what ya curl?" - Anyone asking that question has got their priorities completely screwed?!

Why would you say that? Its just a matter of interest! Plus your view and goals might not be the same:silly:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

DC EVO wrote: Oh, and as for "what ya curl?" - Anyone asking that question has got their priorities completely screwed?!

Why would you say that? Its just a matter of interest! Plus your view and goals might not be the same:silly:

It may sound harsh but I say that as it's pretty much bang on . Views and goals maybe different, but focusing or "matter of interest" on what someone lifts, especially when it comes to curls, is just mental masturbation and ego. What someone curls tells you nothing about their physique, strength, goals or training

I only curl with 12.5kg -15kg db's. 3 sets of 8 once a week. That's it. That tells you nothing.

DC EVO wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

DC EVO wrote: Oh, and as for "what ya curl?" - Anyone asking that question has got their priorities completely screwed?!

Why would you say that? Its just a matter of interest! Plus your view and goals might not be the same:silly:

It may sound harsh but I say that as it's pretty much bang on . Views and goals maybe different, but focusing or "matter of interest" on what someone lifts, especially when it comes to curls, is just mental masturbation and ego. What someone curls tells you nothing about their physique, strength, goals or training

I only curl with 12.5kg -15kg db's. 3 sets of 8 once a week. That's it. That tells you nothing.

Buddy your whole stance is opinionated, its just the way you see it! The reason I wondered what someone else curls, lifts, benches ec is to try and get an idea if I am on par strenth wise! Seems to me your view is somewhat influenced by personal experience, but you can't shave everyone with the same blade! I only weigh 73kg, there really is no ego involved, if I had 50cm biceps maybe:p

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

DC EVO wrote:

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

DC EVO wrote: Oh, and as for "what ya curl?" - Anyone asking that question has got their priorities completely screwed?!

Why would you say that? Its just a matter of interest! Plus your view and goals might not be the same:silly:

It may sound harsh but I say that as it's pretty much bang on . Views and goals maybe different, but focusing or "matter of interest" on what someone lifts, especially when it comes to curls, is just mental masturbation and ego. What someone curls tells you nothing about their physique, strength, goals or training

I only curl with 12.5kg -15kg db's. 3 sets of 8 once a week. That's it. That tells you nothing.

Buddy your whole stance is opinionated, its just the way you see it! The reason I wondered what someone else curls, lifts, benches ec is to try and get an idea if I am on par strenth wise! Seems to me your view is somewhat influenced by personal experience, but you can't shave everyone with the same blade! I only weigh 73kg, there really is no ego involved, if I had 50cm biceps maybe:p

Oh 100% I'm opinionated, but that's also what forums are, opinions You know what they say about opinions, every arsehole has one That's just me though. It does also come from a lot of experience and owning a strength training facility.

I can understand the main lifts 100%, like bench, military press, squat, deadlift and chins for example as there are plenty of indicators for power to weight ratio and strength formulas. But, there is no real strength indicator for you to gauge whether you are on par with your curls. That's just how it is. That's not opinion, that's fact

Ok so 2 or 3 other guys curl round about the same as me, id say I found my awnser, no facts there dude! Bicep is just another muscle, you are putting to much weight on the whole subject

Megusta wrote:

DC EVO wrote: I'd say your deadlifts are lacking quite a bit even for a 10 rep range.

An example, one of my guys this weekend at 88kg raw and natural hit

170kg squat
201kg deadlift
130kg bench

Another one of my guys at 91kg raw and natural

170kg squat
160kg bench
260kg deadlift

These guys are "average" guys with solid training.

evo, what rep ranges do they use? you gonna make me wanna quit if i compare myself to those okes. I've been lifting for ten years and im not even close. But on the other hand, as i said, i wasn't really strong to start off with...always been a puny-skinnyfat-bastard. No sport in school, couch potato guy! i'm not proud :silly:

I rarely take my guys into high rep ranges. They're after pure strength so a lot of 1-3 rep ranges and generally 5-8 reps for assistance work. If we do volume work at the 10 rep range then it's normally at 60-70% of their max for 5 x 10, straight after their main lift.

These guys are also just your normal okes, train 4 times per week and that's it. It's the only exercise they do. Both been training for less than 5 years.

This is what I'm trying to get across though with my clients and anyone else, if you compare yourself to others and not focus on your own game then you could easily cry. These guys are still weak in comparison to some. There will always be people stronger than us in general. This is a lifetime pursuit and as long as you keep lifting and keep gradually increasing, then all is good. For me it's about beating my pb's and staying injury me, that's it. I've stopped comparing my lifts to other peoples.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Ok so 2 or 3 other guys curl round about the same as me, id say I found my awnser, no facts there dude! Bicep is just another muscle, you are putting to much weight on the whole subject

You're right dude, I am being critical. I just hate the whole curling affair. No sweat