Big Shoulders

Hi DJ
After the show last night in Secunda and seeing KOE's awesome performance,i really want some big bad ass shoulders,where can i find a good shoulder routine?

Well u can get them by playing in the 40kg+ dumbell section for presses...if you got issues with the joints pre exhaust your delts with side raises and rear delt flies,that followed by dumbell shoulder press and military press with a bar should help a lot,then go back to side raises...

I am going into week 4 of my cycle so my strength is good,40kg presses,had pain in the one shoulder but its feeling better might be thanks to the Omega 3 and 6 oils.But will be doing side raises and the rear delt flies first this week.I just wanna say thanx again for all the great help,and amazing results with KOE!!!!We all loved him,he of all people really deserve it,very flat footed and no big attitude,all the BIG is in the body.

What cycle and lab u on Johan

I used alot of labs before but this is my first PGW cycle hehehehe thank goodness,running a beginner cycle but trying to stick to one kind of test and give feedback on my resluts.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...-pgw-test-cyp-and-db

What's the feedback like 4 weeks in as the cyp should be kicking in bout now. And how's the LP dbols

i had some british dbols left so i used them,i didnt train yesterday,went 2 go support KOE in secunda but yes i could feel the test kicking in at the end off last week,will keep posting this week,but i'm feeling positive,

Yea I could do with some shoulder advice too. My medial and posterior delts are lagging behind.
I've been doing this for the last 4-5 weeks on shoulder day:

1) DB Laterals (1 arm at a time, leaning forward slightly against an inclined bench) 3 sets to failure each side for 12-15reps.

2) seated bent-over rear delt fly (hammer style rather than the back of my hand facing out) 3 sets to failure for 15-20 reps.

3) Cable/Machine Laterals FST-7

4) Reverse cable fly FST-7

5) Seated DB press 3 sets to failure. First weight used for 18-20 reps and then I stick with that weight as the next 2 sets end up being like 15 and 10 reps.

6) BB Shrugs 4-5 sets add a plate each time and ending off with 1 top set of 15 reps.

So far this has helped bring up those lagging points but I would like some input on it. I really want to bring my delts up so much so that they become a strong point! Any advice?

Ok by doing fst7 in the middle of your work out isn't the correct way,you are supposed finish of your work out,also keep your weight heavy and reps 8-10,going higher is a waste and you are fatiguing the muscle before failing,hence the reason your shoulders aren't growing. Alternate 1 week focusing on rear delts and the next on side delts in your fst style exercise at the end of your work out. You are not pushing to failure,u are getting tired before failing.

OK, thanks DJ. There is an issue of FLEX that has Hany Rambod talking about how they FST "front load" by starting off workouts with FST and also in the middle of the workout if its the last movement for that specific muscle.
The Heath shoulder workout where he mentions is goes:
Seated DB Press
Lateral Raise
Front Raise
Cable Lateral FST-7
Bent-over cable lateral
Face pull
Bent-over db lateral FST-7

I just stole that idea from there lol. So time to up the weight then!! It has been a while since I have gone very heavy on shoulder day and its about time to switch things up anyway. Thanks for the advice.

Look to be honest,if u were eating like phil heath then yea go for it,but fst7 is fucking intense and if u do it correctly you will know it! I have done fst7 front load and yes it works,I did it for biceps last tuesday and my arms are still sore today...I would only do it on one part of the shoulder a work out...but as you can see phil does a lot of heavy work first to dailure before doing fst7 work...

Haha yea thats true. Thanks again