Pre-workout supps and PUMP!!!

I have tried a banana and black coffee before workout, didnt do much. Actually I didnt feel anything.

Roger!

Gaspari - Super Pump 250 gave me some great pumps.

I don't really use pre-workouts anymore, only every now and then if I feel I need some energy from the stims.

DC EVO wrote: Gaspari - Super Pump 250 gave me some great pumps.

I don't really use pre-workouts anymore, only every now and then if I feel I need some energy from the stims.

I love that product... rich gaspari said that they do not use high dosages of stimulants nor geranium derivatives because of its vaso constrictive properties

There are many ingredients that tout a "pump" effect but in actuality none of them actual increase a pump in the human body. Ingredients such as arginine and citrulline are sold as pump products in almost every pre-workout supplement. On paper and in a petri dish there is an increase in nitric oxide which leads to a pump but when actually consumed internally this just does not happen. You may notice an increase in pumps the first or second time you take a pre-workout but the feeling diminishes because the body will do everything it can to maintain homeostasis. One way it does that is by creating an enzyme called arginase which breaks down arginine and inhibits the pump effect. If mechanisms like this were not in place then there is no telling how much the blood vessels would dilate. The "pump" that people feel from pre-workouts comes from the fact that taking these increases energy therefore providing a better workout. The body creates it's own "pump" in response to stress and increases the pool of blood to the area being worked out. There is some research showing caffeine can cause a slight increase in vasodilatation but nothing concrete yet. Hope this helps!

Thunderbeast wrote:

DC EVO wrote: Gaspari - Super Pump 250 gave me some great pumps.

I don't really use pre-workouts anymore, only every now and then if I feel I need some energy from the stims.

I love that product... rich gaspari said that they do not use high dosages of stimulants nor geranium derivatives because of its vaso constrictive properties

I get given a lot of stuff to try out from suppliers at Evo - Jack3d, Shotgun, Muscle Marinade, Evox 3DT, Rocked etc etc and none of them for me have worked as well as Gaspari - Super Pump 250

In fact most of Gaspari products are great, just a shame about the prices we get hammered with for them.

What raisins do u guys use? The dark ones or the light ones (sultanas) ?

pre-workouts are just stimulants to me...but if they get you in the gym then they have done their job!!!!

Tin-Man wrote: There are many ingredients that tout a "pump" effect but in actuality none of them actual increase a pump in the human body. Ingredients such as arginine and citrulline are sold as pump products in almost every pre-workout supplement. On paper and in a petri dish there is an increase in nitric oxide which leads to a pump but when actually consumed internally this just does not happen. You may notice an increase in pumps the first or second time you take a pre-workout but the feeling diminishes because the body will do everything it can to maintain homeostasis. One way it does that is by creating an enzyme called arginase which breaks down arginine and inhibits the pump effect. If mechanisms like this were not in place then there is no telling how much the blood vessels would dilate. The "pump" that people feel from pre-workouts comes from the fact that taking these increases energy therefore providing a better workout. The body creates it's own "pump" in response to stress and increases the pool of blood to the area being worked out. There is some research showing caffeine can cause a slight increase in vasodilatation but nothing concrete yet. Hope this helps!

Good post bro! Geranium ext (DMAA)also sitm like caffeine, works on the same principle of stimulating the fight of fleight response - more adrenline.

But I do agree that Gaspari products are brilliant....the Myofusion was amazing but the Sizeon Maximum Performance is the best product I have EVER used!!! and I have tried pretty much everything out there. Too bad its R600 for 30 day supply

1,3 Dimethylamylamine is the current craze. Anything with that in gives a rush. Banned in South Africa but Evox still puts it in their muscle punch though. Jack3D also got some in.

MMartial wrote: 1,3 Dimethylamylamine is the current craze. Anything with that in gives a rush. Banned in South Africa but Evox still puts it in their muscle punch though. Jack3D also got some in.

Dude you serious? Banned in RSA? I saw many stim supps on the local Pick&Pay pharmacy supplement section containing it... Perhaps I should go do a buy-out. LOL

MMartial wrote: 1,3 Dimethylamylamine is the current craze. Anything with that in gives a rush. Banned in South Africa but Evox still puts it in their muscle punch though. Jack3D also got some in.

It's only banned in competitive sport. It's now in most pwo drinks. That's why I stick to my own mix.

It's only banned in competitive sport. It's now in most pwo drinks. That's why I stick to my own mix.

That's the way I had it as well - just banned for doping in competitive sport. What do you mix for yourself? Bud, give us the recipe please?

I got a little nervous yesterday in the gym, was hitting legs and everytime i would finish a set of squats it felt like my heart was gonna explode, my heart was pumping so hard and fast, im sure it was the pre-workout since i was not even pushing my max weight... I dont think it can be too good for me?

well than thats even better. Thanks for correcting me, now I know something extra aswell.

Kkkyle wrote: I got a little nervous yesterday in the gym, was hitting legs and everytime i would finish a set of squats it felt like my heart was gonna explode, my heart was pumping so hard and fast, im sure it was the pre-workout since i was not even pushing my max weight... I dont think it can be too good for me?

Bro if it gets too hectic rather get something else. Some people are more sensitive to certain pre workouts than others. Key is to find the right one for you. There has been cases where people were taken up in hospital because the effects of preworkouts. Mostly because they dont read the label and completely OD on the stuff but some cases the body just didnt react well to the ingredients. Dont want unneccesary damage.

Kkkyle wrote: I got a little nervous yesterday in the gym, was hitting legs and everytime i would finish a set of squats it felt like my heart was gonna explode, my heart was pumping so hard and fast, im sure it was the pre-workout since i was not even pushing my max weight... I dont think it can be too good for me?

Many pre stims increase your blood pressure. What were you using?

Im using muscle science Xplode, its the first time it has happened... ill check again on monday and see how i react...

Kkkyle wrote: I got a little nervous yesterday in the gym, was hitting legs and everytime i would finish a set of squats it felt like my heart was gonna explode, my heart was pumping so hard and fast, im sure it was the pre-workout since i was not even pushing my max weight... I dont think it can be too good for me?

Just be careful Kyle, a few years ago I had an intense touch rugby match and then went straight to gym to train chest. When I was on benchpress I felt a sudden pain in my chest...thought i was having a heart attack. Everytime I breathed in it felt as though I was being punched in the solar plexis. I went straight to hospital and it turned out being a pneumo-thorax or collapsed lung. Had to get a drainage tube inserted into my lung cavity to allow my lung to inflate again...wasn't lekker at all. The doctor said that it was caused by over-exertion. That is why now I always listen to body and when it feels like I am over-training or training at to high intensity - I rest until it feels like I am recovered and energy levels are replenished. Having rest days is actually so important...at the end of the day - when you rest is when you grow.

STUARTF wrote:

Kkkyle wrote: I got a little nervous yesterday in the gym, was hitting legs and everytime i would finish a set of squats it felt like my heart was gonna explode, my heart was pumping so hard and fast, im sure it was the pre-workout since i was not even pushing my max weight... I dont think it can be too good for me?

Just be careful Kyle, a few years ago I had an intense touch rugby match and then went straight to gym to train chest. When I was on benchpress I felt a sudden pain in my chest...thought i was having a heart attack. Everytime I breathed in it felt as though I was being punched in the solar plexis. I went straight to hospital and it turned out being a pneumo-thorax or collapsed lung. Had to get a drainage tube inserted into my lung cavity to allow my lung to inflate again...wasn't lekker at all. The doctor said that it was caused by over-exertion. That is why now I always listen to body and when it feels like I am over-training or training at to high intensity - I rest until it feels like I am recovered and energy levels are replenished. Having rest days is actually so important...at the end of the day - when you rest is when you grow.

I've had spontaneous pneumothorax twice. Been operated on my lungs twice as well. Te pain is mad. Mine was not related to over-exertion though. It just happend.

Hectic bro. I'm sure you have to be so careful with heavy cardio and weight training etc...not to put to much strain on your lungs. Ya, that chest pain and shortness of breath is frightening. I'm sure you also know all about having a drainage tube (filter) fitted as well, not pleasant at all.....it was a cool party trick though, lift up my shirt and watch peoples reactions, lol.

Was terrible. I spent about a week in hospital after the surgery. Had a drain in my lung for around 4 days. Haven't ahd any issues since the op. The doc did however warn that I need to be a bit cautious with weight training, but it shouldn't cause too much of an issue cos its a controlled movement. He did advise against any contact sports though. One hard knock to my chest and i could be in serious trouble.

thanks for the concern guys, seems it was just a once off thing, must of been all that coffee after the late night... used it again yesterday evening and everything was fine

@DJ, can you tell us when that nutrabolic comes out bro?
if it's perfect, I'd love to try it

Strongest stuff i've ever taken was Ganic-F Insane.

However, on Monday one of the guys at the local gym i go to introduced me to what he calls "NOJACK" which is half scoop jack3d and half scoop N.O Rage mixed together.

I must say i was more than happy with what it did for me in terms of focus and stamina.