pre-workout

if a newbie comes in 1st post claiming something be so gr8, he is obviously trying to push its sales...so he be an asshole in my opinion...this is not your playground to advertise your stuff...fuck off...

From what I read 1,3methyldialamene is a vaso constrictor,there is gonna be a new product released in the coming month,stimulant free,I will release more details when it arrives...the biggest issue I have with these products is it kills appetite,and when u are eating 3000-5000 calories a day u battle to eat after work outs...

but does the arginine not cancel off that negative effect of 1,3 dim? Hmmm, the new product coming out is it gonna be from ssn?

Well MCJ, I dont know about rules, but there is freedom of speech on any respected forum, and I for one have been a major Jack3d fan for a long time, but I will say that it is NOT superior to Berserker.

I'm not trying to push shit, but Berserker is basically an Improved Jack3d if you look at the formula's, they are very similar, just Berserker is stronger, and better tasting.

This forum is on a rage for nothing, you guys need a USN protein bar and a chillax period, haha:)

Seriously though, try each and make your own mind up.

bud your not dealing with a newbie, i happen to be a pharmacist so when you can rack up the qualifications then run your stupid mouth! Nothing i have said is unfounded other than to merely give opinion and if this is a forum then its generally opinion based or reported. so come now play nicely!!!

All for freedom of speech. Arrogance and disrespect NO! U dnt need to be a boffin to figure that one out

stunna wrote: bud your not dealing with a newbie, i happen to be a pharmacist so when you can rack up the qualifications then run your stupid mouth! Nothing i have said is unfounded other than to merely give opinion and if this is a forum then its generally opinion based or reported. so come now play nicely!!!

Newbie as in new to the forum mr pharmacist. Butt congrats ill give u a huge noddy badge anyway. Hit a nerve?

wayne, clearly you didnt read my post properly, its not punting the product by any means, all it simply says is lets not sit and slander a product for a mere "lack of history" so to speak... and i was an opinion based on my experience with berserker ie that is a subjective opinion and we should all realise that our opinion are subjective and i am free to express therefore that i found berserker to be a great preworkout and far surpassed the like of jack IN MY OPINION!!!!

Wayne,nope arganine will not negate the effects of it...nope not by ssn,have a look out for the new muscle evolution magazine,its gonna be the biggest launch of the year and one of the biggest mass monsters around is supporting and promoting the product...

no nerves hit, we all just offering opinion on preworkouts and while i dont believe anything should be taken away from jack, we must clearly acknowledge the likes of newcomers and i tried it and thought it was great!

No probs. All I'm saying is don't be arrogant about it especially as a new member. Remember just as in any aspect of life here too first impressions count.

Ok, I'm over my fanny wobble now

Stunna winning an arguement online like u are trying to do is like winning gold at the special olympics,u might have won gold but u are still a retard...all the guys are saying is the 3 posts u have put up have been very pro 1 product and telling everyone it is better blah blah blaah but jackrabbit1 a long time and respected member of the forum has his opinion of it is not as good as jack3d.all it seems is like u are here to throw a biased opinion of the product at hand,which if it lays claims to be better than jacked and is better then all good,but its not always great to throw your first posts out to almost be adverts for something...In time beserker will make its name,but for now it can't lay claims to be better when some people don't feel that way...that's just my opinion,no one is doubting your pharmacutical knowledge and its good to have u here but at the end of the day it best not to come on a forum and start throwing out comments and posts in a way to look like u know better than others,we are not like that on this forum...glad to have u hear and hppe to see some more informative posts from u...

my apologies and i look forward to offering some meaningful input...

Tell them MCJ !!! LOL

I personally never felt the need for a pre workout , my energy levels are great , and i get phycked without any pre workout , but this is obviously from my diet from dj

Its that disrespectful comment made to jackrabbit that rubbed me up. Lol. But we all mature and can move forward in a positive way. I think all that needed to be said has bn said and we can close this chapter. (Not referring to this thread, just the newbie issue).

Welcome stunna, hope u stick around mate.

I just compared the two tubs. The ingredients are the same. Serving size differs jack3d 4145mg vs 4460 Beserker. Also nothing is said about the ratio's of the ingredients. If you give me more Caffeine i will fall asleep. You might rave on that extra caff.

I bought the Beserker and tried it with 1 and 2 scoops like i normally would with Jack3d. My lips tingle/itch alot more with Beserker so i assume the Beta Alanine is higher.
I also mixed it with Bullnox which also received quite a good writeup in ME.

I seem to last longer on Jack3d and i like what it gives me. The lemon is the only one i would buy - i've tried them all.

Its gonna be personal choice in the end. The price is the same or close depending where you buy it.
Dischem had a sale on Jack3d not so long ago for R269 Vs the normal R349.

Beserker is definately not crap though believe me! I will buy it before i buy any other flavour Jack3d than lemon.

stunna wrote: my apologies and i look forward to offering some meaningful input...

Looking forward to it buddy sorry if it seemed as if I was coming hard at u,I am not pro any pre work out drink that's stimulant based so I can't really offer to many opions on these things

Guys whats the actual benifits of a pre-workout, or is it just for energy? i have used SSN and muscle science workouts and both proved to give nothing more than a slight buzz, does it acually help in the gain of muscle?

i was under the impression that a good pre-workout gives you energy, fuller pumps and does help building muscle by shuttling more nutrients to the working muscle....bigger pumps, more blood flowing to muscle means more nutrients for muscle...Dj can clear it up thou, if its a myth believed on my part...

iv tried berserker and jack3d and have to agree with jackrabbit,having said that i still stick to muscle marinade simply because it works well for me personally,no huge buzz no crash and can still eat straight after i train,if im gonna take a pre workout at 2 or 3 scoops its gonna cost too much for me to afford,berserker is nothing great for me 3 scoops to feel it,same with jacked and most others even shock therapy,if im gonna have to take 3 scoops ill rather just buy ssn creapump....i have noticed a few VERY new members here punting titan labs exclusively and one in specific whos every post relates to lion supps,just sayin