Herbal ECA Stack

Hi guys

I'm new here and this is my first post. I've just finished my last supply of liquid gold eph which I mainly use for appetite suppression.
I would like to try and experiment with my own herbal version ECA stack using the following ingredients:

Citrus aurantium (synephrine)
Guarana
White Willow Bark

Obviously the effects will not be as powerful as the real stuff, but I'd still like to check it out and see how it works. Has anyone tried any of these herbs together or alone and also have any idea of the ratios to use.

Those are used in most high end fatburners that contain no eph... see stuff like Lipo-6.

White Willow bark is same as Asprin and I'll add some caffeine as well.

The problem I have with these high end fat burners is that theres all sorts of other crap in there and the ratios are just too low... 20mg of synephrine is an absolute joke! They just don't work and are a total waste of money.

I want to try and make the mixture as close to the real stuff as possible as I can obtain the ingredients individually. You are correct the willow bark is the same as asprin and the guarana will be for caffeine and synephrine for eph.

Why not just get some more of the good old stuff?

Wish I could Fox, its not so easy anymore.

Fox wrote: Why not just get some more of the good old stuff?

Too risky in my view. Getting caught with eph is pretty serious.

I think Allicat's mix is good enough, but getting the correct ratios will be a matter of testing it over a number of weeks.

This is true
Ive been wanting to work on somthing like this for a while and i agree that getting the correct ratios will be critical. If we can find what the ratios are i am sure i can get one of the pharma co's to mix it and maybe cap it....

I'll play around and let you guys know results.

synephrine is the key ingredient here, so what I think you should do is get a couple of people and ask them to take their temp in the morning when they wake up and after you have data for a couple of days give each a different dosage of synephrine only and have them take their temp again at the same time under similar conditions. Then look for those that have elevated body temperature... then you know that dosage is effective for fatburning.

Some info on dasges so far.....

**A typical recommended dose of citrus aurantium is 100-150mg 2 to 3 times per day.

Many Citrus aurantium products are made from the juice and/or concentrated extracts of the peel
and are said to contain a fixed percentage of synephrine or total amines.
A typical recommended dosage of such products ranges from 100–150 mg two to three times daily.
However, these doses may be unsafe.

Because synephrine is but one small component of the Citrus aurantium fruit,
a standardized extract is recommended. A dose of 4-20 mg of synephrine per day is a typical dose found
in products providing 200-600 mg of a standardized citrus aurantium extract (3-6% synephrine).

The Chinese herb Zhi shi, which is the immature Bitter Orange (Citrus aurantium),
is used to manufacture Citrus aurantium extract. This herb, Zhi shi, has been used in Chinese medicine
for several centuries for a variety of purposes, including as a digestive aid,
generally in doses of 3 - 15 grams as a decoction, but sometimes in doses as high as 45 grams.
The herb contains about 0.8% of mixed alkaloids, with synephrine predominating
(the natural form of the alkaloid is l-synephrine), so the normal dose of 3 - 15 grams
would provide 24 - 120 mg of Citrus alkaloids per dose, with an intake of as much as 360 mg not being unusual.
There are no reports of side effects at these dosage levels. In addition to administering the herb itself as a
decoction, extracts are also administered by the intravenous route in the treatment of shock, in doses
equivalent to 10 - 40 grams (80 - 320 mg alkaloids).

Synthetic dl-synephrine is used therapeutically world-wide, often under the name oxedrine.
The recommended dosage is 100 - 150 mg three times daily, with a maximum daily intake of 600 mg.
At these dose levels the only reported side effects are rarely bradycardia
(slowing of the heart rate; ephedrine, the main constituent of the Ephedra alkaloids,
increases the heart rate) and exacerbation of narrow-angle glaucoma.

In other words...
Synephrine hcl: 20mg per dose.
Synephrine extract: 100-150mg per dose.

Sounds good, I think if you gonna use guarana then why use caffiene as well as caffiene is the main active ingredient in guarana?