Stimulant-FREE Pre-Workout booster ?!?

I'm looking for info on white flying elephants again....
Do any of you know of a stimulant-free pre-workout arginine/creatine booster??

This would be very useful when you are taking fat-burners with stimulants, but still desire a arginine/creatine booster.

I have tried Muscle Science's Power Pump, but its useless and expensive.

Do any of you perhaps know of something that I am looking for, but that actually works? :hmm

I am open to suggestions, such as buying individual ingredients, etc..

Help plz?

Buy raw arginine and taurine, speak to LSJ as he may be able to get arg and taurine for you, taurine is very cheap by the kilo, arginine is a bit more pricy but it will last ages. Add ceatine monohydrate and some WMS together with some short sugars if you want and maybe some green tea extract. Taurine is good for stabilising blood sugar levels and arg will give you a good pump

The only product that I can find is:
(Before you flame me, I'm not saying its any good, just that it is what I want...)
USN Nitrox VigR....
Contains..
CFM Nitro™ (Micro Fraction NO Amplifier)
L-Citrulline Malate
Alpha-lipoic acid
Niacin
L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate 3g

CFM Nitro™ is a patent pending, all natural whey derived nitric oxide synthase (NOS) activator, which has been selectively enriched in proteins and peptides to boost nitric oxide production to induce maximum pump. (Whateva that means)

Beesting wrote:

Buy raw arginine and taurine, speak to LSJ as he may be able to get arg and taurine for you, taurine is very cheap by the kilo, arginine is a bit more pricy but it will last ages. Add ceatine monohydrate and some WMS together with some short sugars if you want and maybe some green tea extract. Taurine is good for stabilising blood sugar levels and arg will give you a good pump

Thanks, do you think just plain regular cheap l-arginine bought at dischem will give a decent pump?

It should be fine, arginine is arginine, may be expensive though from dischem as its already pricy from the pharmaceutical companies so if LSJ can organise a kilo for you and you take 5g before gym it will last for 200 workouts. The taste is really kak though, like drinking hydrochloric acid

Thanks for the heads-up
Will drink it with some Oros LOL

May good karma be with you...

Beesting wrote:

......like drinking hydrochloric acid

You should know..... right?

Yep, I drink hydrochloric acid on a daily basis, you should try it, does wonders

The pump aint that great with Arg. Nothing OTC really gives me great pumps anyhow. The Arg is a salt and will make the oros taste bad!

I have 5g Arg pre-workout in case there are any nitric oxide vasodilation benefits... But I don't entirely believe the NO hype. Doesn't do much for me in any form.

Inja wrote:

The pump aint that great with Arg. Nothing OTC really gives me great pumps anyhow. The Arg is a salt and will make the oros taste bad!

I have 5g Arg pre-workout in case there are any nitric oxide vasodilation benefits... But I don't entirely believe the NO hype. Doesn't do much for me in any form.

So, what you're saying is, that pure Arginine doesn't give you a good pump, but also that you don't get a good pump from any (legal) product...

Getting pumps really motivates me, and they are definitely harder and fuller with supplementation, for me..

P.S. Its the other way round, the Oros is supposed to make the Arg taste better :laugh: lol

How about Simply Slim product? Ive seen people lose some serious weight on that stuff and they dont even train. Thats stim free and then you can take whatever pre workout you want? Raw supplements would be cheaper, just an idea though.

Ive never tried it but one thing I liked about it is, it makes you thirsty hence you drink more water. I have an issue drinking enough water. My 2c

Hey strip,
I've checked out the Simply Slim ingredients,
looks like every other OTC fat-burner,
with caffiene and synephrine + other goodies.
I like the progress that ephedra or yohimbine gives me.
Like I said, I'm looking for a stim-free pre-workout,
not a stim-free burner
(Although I don't think SimplySlim is stim-free)

Thanks for the input, appreciated

Take animal pump and drop the red pill - it contain all the stims.

Thanks Tipps,
I read that on a bobybuilding.com forum,
but that product is a little above my budget...

My bad then, but ill probably get shunned for saying this but the vigr from usn you mentioned aint bad. I got pretty decent pumps.

Cool stuff, thanks strip.
I might just give it a try then