Supplement SA

Is Supplement SA suupplements any good cause i would like to try a few of their products out?i normally use USN

Its good.

Sand is bettet than USN IMO

I've been using their stuff exclusively for the last 5 years and have had good results.

Thanx guys:)

i will buld more muscle supplementing with my dogs kak than with usn (Ulitimate Shit Nutrition)

i use sups sas products in my opp its good!!

You eat your dogs shit? That's nasty .....

What I'm going to say might offend some people - I think most South African products are crap , shit & useless ,we have no FDA in this country that monitors and tests what is exactly in the products we buy.My advice would be to stick to the american products that are made in the US - not here(I know thats not very patriotic but then again I dont like being lied to,sorry),at least you know when it says 90% whey protien on the label you're not getting 50% whey and 40% maltodextrose or some other kind of cheap filler!Think about it ,we dont have an FDA who's testing whats on the label IS in fact exactly whats in the bottle,but hey thats just my opinion.

Netro wrote:

You eat your dogs shit? That's nasty .....

no hell man,usn is juz very kak products!!

Conan wrote:

What I'm going to say might offend some people - I think most South African products are crap , shit & useless ,we have no FDA in this country that monitors and tests what is exactly in the products we buy.My advice would be to stick to the american products that are made in the US - not here(I know thats not very patriotic but then again I dont like being lied to,sorry),at least you know when it says 90% whey protien on the label you're not getting 50% whey and 40% maltodextrose or some other kind of cheap filler!Think about it ,we dont have an FDA who's testing whats on the label IS in fact exactly whats in the bottle,but hey thats just my opinion.

thats very true!! if we get something like the FDA here usn will be the first to close and others will follow.
made me wana re think using local brands!!

Ok Conan... Can you please advise us on overseas companies that are worthwhile to have a look at and that's still competitive in prices?

Gaspari Nutrition?
Optimum Nutrition?
Muscle Tech?
BSN?

There are none Bro, it's like buying a car .... Uno or Merc, both will get you there, but how would you like to arrive? And the most important part, which can you afford to drive?

I agree to a certain extend with Conan as I am a Nutrition Lab supporter and their stuff is made in a medical manufacturing facility and all those goods things, but they are a little high on price considering it's local.

If it's a general comment then I agree with him 100%

Kraz you have a point about the price but I would still rather pay a bit more and at least know what I am getting is real.What I do is order through bodybuilding.com and even when I get smashed with R400 - R450 import duty on a R1000-R1300 order(only happened twice out of 15 orders) its still way cheaper than buying from Diskem and it comes delivered within a couple of days to my front door.The Rand - Dollar is sitting on R7.78 +/- and if it goes much higher this type of ordering may not be viable.On this site you need to shop around there are so many products available and some we never have access to.At the end of the day its your choice but I personally would rather do that than buy products that are not what they say they are.

Conan give stephen @ performancesupplements.co.za a try. Great guy + he delivers to ur door.

The South Sfrican version of the FDA (food & drug administration) is the MCC medicine control council and they have already started clamping down on the SA supplement companies. Soon there is going to be big shit in the supplement industry in this country. But you know how things are handled here in SA, pay the bribe and the back hands and you will never have trouble. The consumer suffers in this country because of the hectic exchange rate most people cant afford imported brands and companies like USN will continue to make millions every month because of this. If the rand was around R4-1$ USN would have a hard time staying in business.

20% duty on supplements , transport , and the exchange rate is against imported brands. Put all that into consideration.

I cant get to topical on this as its very close to my heart and I get really pissed off about it. Kraz bro I sent you an email you know what im talking about.

There IS NO CONTROL IN SOUTH AFRICA OVER PRODUCTION OF CONSUMABLE GOODS. We produce Juggernaut Vitargo. When we had it finished I contacted the department of health to have the product registered, tested, and certified what ever I needed to do. As I thought this was what needed to be done. They laughed at me over the phone and told me to put it on the shelf and sell it THEY DONT NEED ANYTHING. Now in our case I know what we put in the product and I can say this with confidence any of you are welcome to check on us and the raw materials we use. Ive had to source Creapure from 3 new sources since inception of the product. Do you know why? Because there is so little demand for creapure creatine in this country that its not a viable option for them to stock it. Please do not even argue that Chinese creatine at R39/kg ( thats the price guys for R3.9 for 100g) is the same as Creapure. If it was then why don’t any legit international supplement companies use it? They all use Creapure or US based creatine sources which are equally good all of which are anywhere between 4 -6 times the price of the CHEAPEST creatine on the market coming from China which South Africa is content with purchasing and consuming.

So lets do some simple maths here. Raw material costs 1/5th of the price of legit raw material yet when its sold via retail stores the consumer is paying about 30% more for an imported brand whos raw materials are 4-5times the price , importers pay 20% duites . Who's expensive now?

I will openly say this local brands are up to shit. If they dont like me saying that then tell them they must prove me wrong.

We can make it as simple as this. 3 products . Creatine monohydrate , CLA , and one of your mass gainers.

If they are legit I will openly apologize and take every word I say back. I’ll even slap on a t-shirt and work 4 hours of promotional work every weekend for the next month for them. if im wrong! All I require is a COA of the item and country of origin , I bet if I do get one it will come out of China?


I will recommend any international brand , im fortunate enough to work for Bolus dist so I have access to brands like EFX , Muscletech and Juggernaut Vitargo. I use those exclusively ( why not) . I think "ON" has a fantastic range as well as Met-rx. Im also happy to say that there is a new local brand soon to hit the market “SPS” that I will be able to recommend with confidence. I know the integrity of the people producing them and ive been lucky enough to look at 2 of the products and they rock! I don’t want to let the cat out the bag but im really looking forward to seeing them clean up this local mess, I think the other local companies are going to shit themselves because they are up against professionals. It should be ready in a month or so and finally you guys can turn to some decent local product! Damn I might even have to try some

I am with Kevin and Conan here 100%,, there is ZERO control over manufacturing of supplements in SA,,

Hey, Kev - ya gonna be wearing a Nutrition Lab T-shirt soon !!!! Contact Ian Roothman and take any of our products, choose any, and he'll give you the COA's you need. I'll be sending you some T-shirts soon.....

Welcome back Doc !!!

Hi to all,

Can anyone tell me what would happen if you consume to "much" protein and if this is possible at all?? Lets say you take protein shakes at every meal or substitute your meals with a shake.
What is the youngest age that any person can start using some sort of a protein shake for a change in the body?? Was talking to friend who wants to give his 13 year son that plays rugby at school some form of protein.
I also think that ALLLLL USN products is crap and use imported stuff only.Will give the suppl that Kevin spoke about a try when it hit the market.

@ Willem,
Bud, supplements are there to supplement and all supplement companies would love you to beleive that their products can replace real food. This is not so and should never be seen as such. I look at supplements as convenience and should only be taken when you cannot have solid foods for whatever reason. Do not fall in the trap of substituting real food with supplements, this is not ideal and will never be. Solid food has allot more nutients and other things that your supplements do not and your body needs to process solid food as this is what is was designed to do. Not sure on the long term effects of just a liquid diet, but am sure this would cause issues.

I personally take 1 shake after training as post workout with other stuff in it as well and T-Rex before bed. That's it, you can say 2 shakes a day as T-Rex isn't actually a shake or MRP. Some guys I know have 5 -6 shakes a day and they don't grow any faster or better than myself, all they are doing is making supp companies rich.

As far as I know giving protein shakes to a 13 year old is ok, provided it's a good brand and would not give a "combination shake", something with creatine or so in it. Also, the dosing would differ from the pack directions as these are designed around grown people.

Think the best here would be for your friend to take his son to a nutritionist and they can work out a meal plan for him and consider all the variables and determine the correct protein amount with carbs and fats etc.

Shakes also don't fill you as I am hungry 20 mins after I have a shake, not so after a meal.

Hope this helps.

@ Netro,

Thanks for responding so quick. My mate is here with me and is impressed with your comment.
What made me ask about the protein was the lady at the store whe buy from.
Ill never buy there again and your comments made me realise that supplements are just what the word describes... "A SUPPLEMENT"...
Can a young person of my mates childs age go to gym??? I would assume strict supervision but still would it be adviseable????. He is small but plays fullback for Natal Schools and he made SA Schools. ThaNK God he is not blonde and his name is not PERCY !!!!!!!

Sorry her comment was that protein can be taken 4 x times a day in the place of food with a small meal at night....

Sure bro, 13 yrs is fine for gym, but yes, they need to be supervised until they know their own limits and have good form.

As for the lady at your health shop, if the prices are good then why stop buying there? You are definately not going to cause them to close their doors. rather research the products and look here for advice and you will not have to rely on them as they will always punt products as they probably work on commission etc, you can't fault them for that, we all need to survive.

Hope this helps and would really consider a nutritionist and someone to help with a training programme for the youngling.

Hi
Any thoughts on ssn products,the prices are good i am using them at the moment.Anyone else tried them ?

Kevin Coyne wrote:

20% duty on supplements , transport , and the exchange rate is against imported brands. Put all that into consideration.

I cant get to topical on this as its very close to my heart and I get really pissed off about it. Kraz bro I sent you an email you know what im talking about.

There IS NO CONTROL IN SOUTH AFRICA OVER PRODUCTION OF CONSUMABLE GOODS. We produce Juggernaut Vitargo. When we had it finished I contacted the department of health to have the product registered, tested, and certified what ever I needed to do. As I thought this was what needed to be done. They laughed at me over the phone and told me to put it on the shelf and sell it THEY DONT NEED ANYTHING. Now in our case I know what we put in the product and I can say this with confidence any of you are welcome to check on us and the raw materials we use. Ive had to source Creapure from 3 new sources since inception of the product. Do you know why? Because there is so little demand for creapure creatine in this country that its not a viable option for them to stock it. Please do not even argue that Chinese creatine at R39/kg ( thats the price guys for R3.9 for 100g) is the same as Creapure. If it was then why don’t any legit international supplement companies use it? They all use Creapure or US based creatine sources which are equally good all of which are anywhere between 4 -6 times the price of the CHEAPEST creatine on the market coming from China which South Africa is content with purchasing and consuming.

So lets do some simple maths here. Raw material costs 1/5th of the price of legit raw material yet when its sold via retail stores the consumer is paying about 30% more for an imported brand whos raw materials are 4-5times the price , importers pay 20% duites . Who's expensive now?

I will openly say this local brands are up to shit. If they dont like me saying that then tell them they must prove me wrong.

We can make it as simple as this. 3 products . Creatine monohydrate , CLA , and one of your mass gainers.

If they are legit I will openly apologize and take every word I say back. I’ll even slap on a t-shirt and work 4 hours of promotional work every weekend for the next month for them. if im wrong! All I require is a COA of the item and country of origin , I bet if I do get one it will come out of China?


I will recommend any international brand , im fortunate enough to work for Bolus dist so I have access to brands like EFX , Muscletech and Juggernaut Vitargo. I use those exclusively ( why not) . I think "ON" has a fantastic range as well as Met-rx. Im also happy to say that there is a new local brand soon to hit the market “SPS” that I will be able to recommend with confidence. I know the integrity of the people producing them and ive been lucky enough to look at 2 of the products and they rock! I don’t want to let the cat out the bag but im really looking forward to seeing them clean up this local mess, I think the other local companies are going to shit themselves because they are up against professionals. It should be ready in a month or so and finally you guys can turn to some decent local product! Damn I might even have to try some

Kevin,

You seem pretty good at Maths, but would like to ask you how you managed to put 83g of carbs 9g of glutamine and 9g of creatine into a 100g serving. Did you use some sort of compression mechanism.
Now that doesnt sound that bad.... but take into account that the raw vitargo you used is 92% carbs (not 100%).

That means that in 100g you have
1) 90.2g Raw vitargo
2) 9g Cratine
3) 9g Glutamine
4) Flavour???
5) Sodium, Potassium, Calcium, Mag (that might be found in the vitargo already)

My point is that you have nearly 110g of product in a 100g serving.

Now I need some answers. Think im also going to give my Juggernaut to my dog, and import my own Vitargo from Sweden.

Mike