Heat/caffeine

I started using heat (great product) but use animal pump for creatine and NO before gym. It also has caffeine in it, but I do not know how much is in the heat. Could it be dangerous taking to much caffeine esp before a heavy workout. Could it strain my heart?

I would take one heat in the morn and one @ about lunch time, and then the pump at about half 5. I could take the red cap out of the pump but i like the kick it gives in the gym????

Another ???

If i keep my protein intake between 1.5 to 2 grms per pound of body weight, would i keep my muscle mass safe enough from the ephedrine in the heat???

Suggestions appreciated.

lol i wouldn't be worried about the caffine on your heart more so the ephadrine..

so tell me how is this working out for you, this animal pump, etc. do you clearly see it working or still awaiiting results?

It does for me what a creatine/NO supp is supposed to. Def helps with my workouts.

I'm talking about results wise, go suck on some glucose before a workout and it will also help you.

But i'm talking about animal pump etc... I believe that product is very over priced for what it does, which is pretty much nothing. I honestly saw no results when using that. The only product of theirs that I find works is their Animal Pack and their old Animal Test....

Just intrested to see if you can see visable results in your body, eg bigger pumps, incraesed strength, etc.

Yes i can, compared to just using creatine mono.... Much bigger pumps and a bit of strength increase. Have used it for quite a while as it works for me. Yip it is pricey esp in this country but buy a few @ a time from bb.com and it makes it much more freindly on the pocket.

What have you found works better??? Where you on a cycle while using it ???

No I was not on a cycle... tried _everything_ slowly / slowly / slowly adding things... to try see what works best... and I found when using animal pump I never noticed what its supposed to do, give me those increased pumps or actually pretty much any of the supplemnts in the stores

I dont really buy into the supplement biz, why try find that anabolic edge that they talk about in mags etc when the only real way is with steroids. in reality you have all these massive guys in mags saying use this you can get XYZ result but all they doing is promoting something that they may or may not use. But its due to the juice that gives them the results... I just feel you spending allot of money on all of this, but if it works for you for the price you lay out then i'm glad.

even when you using the real stuff gains take time, so I just dont find that using XYZ wil make me achieve any better results than I do from creatine/protein and lots of food.

what is the animal pump supposed to do, increase red blood cells, maybe get some tests to actually see if its doing what its supposed to do.

I hear what you saying and i find it quite a laugh paging through these mags. Was looking through a FLEX the other day and boy what a load of crap Dexter and Jay getting huge with the muscleTech supps....LOL please!!!!!!

Creatine mono just did not do it for me, the ethyl ester was better and then tried the pump and it worked for me so stuck with it. I do think non the less that it is slightly under dosed.

The research behind NO supps is proven so I am sure it is worthwhile. I am really keen making up my own @ a decent dose. Much cheaper buying the raw products.

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I started using heat (great product) but use animal pump for creatine and NO before gym. It also has caffeine in it, but I do not know how much is in the heat. Could it be dangerous taking to much caffeine esp before a heavy workout. Could it strain my heart?

I would take one heat in the morn and one @ about lunch time, and then the pump at about half 5. I could take the red cap out of the pump but i like the kick it gives in the gym????

Another ???

If i keep my protein intake between 1.5 to 2 grms per pound of body weight, would i keep my muscle mass safe enough from the ephedrine in the heat???

Suggestions appreciated.

Yes too much caffein or ephedrine at one particular time will strain the heart and could kill you. Especially if you take high doses before a heavy cardio routine or heavy weight lifting. However if you space your caffein / ephedrine intake throughout the day (~4hours apart) then you take in tolerable amounts and get the benefit of fat burning / energy all through out the day.

To answer you second question if you are taking stimulants for energy (not weight loss) then you need to increase total protein and total calories to new maintenance levels. If you are using it for fat loss keeping protein high in a calorie deficit and taking short sugars after weight lifting is essential. If you are over 90kg (lean) then anabolic support becomes important as well to prevent muscle wastage.

Thanks for your input. Yes I am taking the heat for fat loss. I estimate the heat has approx 200mg caffeine and so does the pump. Thus my timing of taking these should be good non the less. I will be using heat on a 2 week on 2 week off so the 2 weeks off should give the body a rest of the higher caffeine intake. I was just a little concerned about about total daily caffeine intake. Its half life does seem to be between 4-5 hours though.

I am 98 kgs at the moment with an estimated 18-20% bf. My current protein intake is around 310 to 360 gram a day with clean carbs during the day only a sweet sports drink (mixed energade +- 45gram carb with BCAA and Glut, for a bit o an insulin spike) right after gym and a 50gram whey.

Inja hope you can help me with this.......You seem to be in the field.
I need to measure out between 200mg and 400mg doses of caffeine anhydrous and do not have access to a medical scale. What can i use to do this, a empty cap shell or is there some kind of small measure available. I cannot spent close to R 2000 on a balance just for that.

Your help appreciated.
Thanks

I actually don't have any caffeine in the house at current so I can't tell you how much an inventive vessel might hold.
But here are two of the easiest options I can think of off the top of my head.

1) You could dissolve the caffeine in water, depending on the amount you are able to measure out. The saturating concentration in water appears to be about 2mg / 100mL from what I see on google (its wikipedia so not the best, but its late). So you could put 2grams onto 100mL water, and measure 10mL out every day for 200mg.
Problem is if you can only measure out 20g into 1L this would last quite long and you have to start worrying about contamination. I'm not sure if caffeine likes to be frozen but don't see why not, so you could freeze out 100mL aliquots and thaw them when the last one finishes.

2) Mix the 20gram caffeine into 2kg of something else like whey protein and mix in very thoroughly. That way you have a 1% caffeine mix, so every time you measure out 20gram whey you'll be getting 200mg caffeine. You could measure 2grams into 100g creatine (easier to mix) for a 2% mix (200mg caffeine per 10g creatine), or 50g arginine 50g creatine, but then you could do the water thing instead.

Not the cleanest methods but its a way to measure out the caffeine in bulk... Just get creative.