Clen's fault?

So I've been on Clen for 2 weeks now,last week I started getting slight diarrhea but nothing major
Got worse 3 days ago,read up and saw its a side of clen. Anyway long story short,I worked my way up to 60mcg's which I didn't really experience that much sides.but today after running to the loo a few times I suddenly get super hot,start shaking badly,neck and back start getting stiff and I'm struggling to breathe abit and got lame,waited like 2 mins to let it pass coz this kinda happened last week but didn't last more than 2 mins. Anyway it gets worse and I tell the wifey to rush me to nearby hospital.get taken in with a wheelchair (like a boss lol)Told the Doc what happened to me in detail (he asked me how I know all this stuff haha), said I might need a beta blocker for possible overdose of clen, he checks me out and after a minute said ill be fine :shew:

They done all the tests, ecg's and stuff,checked urine everything is perfect according to the doc
Done a blood test and according to him everything was perfect
Also according to him Clen might have made the Anxiety\panic worse but he says it wasn't attributed to the clen. The minute he told me ill be fine so I was actually fine

Now I'm not one that pussifies about pain and stuff, I handle that but this was different
It litterally felt like I was about to die

But now,should I continue the Clen?I'm scared shitless to be honest and I hate stims but the results are awesome thus far and that could have just been a once off..so I'm not sure

Some advice please

I forgot to add,myself and the wifey had kind of a disagreement but nothing too bad to raise my temperature, and also something I often do when on any kind of stim is check contents of caffeine in tea's etc,but yesterday I had two cups of this tea called “Acai Berry Pomegranate and Vanilla“ but I never checked the caffeine content,perhaps this could have also contributed if the caffeine is high

I am sorry to hear that and I am glad to hear you are fine. I think the scope of your problem is bigger than just the Clenbuterol. I think your system is showing signs of stress and anxiety caused by your current lifestyle. Many things add up to a stressful lifestyle like a heavy training routine, clean dieting especially in a caloric deficit, then comes the hammer of stressful surroundings and family life with financial stress like paying school fees and a massive mortgage plus a thousand other responsibilities. Then we add Clenbuterol to the mix and it multiplies some tiny problems by 10. Things that didn´t really bother you at all in the past now become nuisances. Now for the testosterone part, we are men not treehuggers like you said and we can handle this and much more. At some point these things add up to too much and this is where I think you are now. Your body is telling you that it's too much. My advice is to figure out why it's too much and leave the Clenbuterol until you are sure you will be able to handle it. If you read my Clen thread you will see that I too EXPECT my social life to take a big left hook when using Clen and I consciously make an effort not to take things too seriously. Please no Dr Phil, Oprah, Jerry Springer, Ask Anne, or any similar jokes.

Thanks Pyro

Sounds about right

Was just about to do a full body depletion workout and finished legs,my last set on the standing calf raising machine and it happens again,just a milder version. I didn't use the clen since Saturday when it happened

I'm starting to think something is either wrong or its by time I need a break
I've been training for 1 yr and 2 months straight 5 days weekly with no break and dieting 200% hardcore since December.

I might just take a break this week and go back to maintenance cals and rest and see

Crappy feeling

I doubt it's the clen. Take a few days off, one week no training and loads of sleep will do you very good.

Take off time from clen, and all stimulants. Coffee,or tea or caffeine based drinks like coke zero or coke light, pepsi light or pepsi max. Add in burn out from solal, tryptophan, st johns wort, l tyrosine and melatonin before bed. These all help with seratonin levels as well as adrenal fatigue. Add in to your diet 40g of carbs per meal for the first 4 meals of the day. Drop fats down to 10g of fats for each of those meals. Increase water intake and sodium intake and do no weight training or cardio for the week. Stay of clen and all stimulants for a month whilst running the combination above. See how that helps with your anxiety and stress levels and sleeping patterns. Should make u sleep like a rock which can also lower cortisol and help with stress. U might just be suffering from burn out completely. But that's my opinion.

Thanks Oupa and DJ

Ill do so

Was doing so well then this started now, will do as you advised DJ
I wasn't having proper rest for the past few weeks too so its very likely I'm burnt out

Feeling @ my worse now when I'm actually so close to my short term goal.

Will let you guys know how it goes

Thanks again,much appreciated to all

Take it easy & keep us updated.

Abit of an update

So today I was in bed whole day, ate properly etc
Then this afternoon around 5 outa the blues while watching Scandal(the american series) it happens again and again a milder version
Wifey gets home from work and off to hospital again,this time to groote schuur
Here's where it gets interesting

I explain to this Dr who looks younger than me which she probably is from A-Z
From my diet upto Clen

She confuses this with Salbutemol and I dunno what else and her whole explanation is way off
Then when I said its a Beta2 receptor antagonist she asks me to hold on and leaves the room
Only for me to find out she went to go and do a quick google search on clen lol
She comes back 30mins later and gave me the whole history about it hahaha

Anyway that was ridiculous and hilarious at the same time as in her explanation she told me she studied it.
As far as she is concerned everything now points to clen being the culprit,done ecg again,blood tests were all good,done X-rays and she said my lungs are abit smacked because of my previous smoking years but nothing to worry about,however this time a thyroid test was also done, those tests I'm getting tomorrow and I think my anxiety just went up a notch lol

What got me even more worried was something I read up on called a "thyroid storm"
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyrotoxicosis

Thyroidtoxicosis is an after effect of clen that can happen

So after all the info and while lying on that bed in hospital hardly able to read properly I think I worsened it for myself coz now ie got this added worry

But anyway I don't wanna bore you guys with this,I just hope its nothing serious and that it will be over soon

Thanks for reading

Wishing you a speedy safe recovery bud!!

I am gonna give you the side effects list of a very well-known and thoroughly studied compound, and I want you to guess what it is. Hint: It´s not cyanide or snake venom.

"Side effects including belching, bad breath, heartburn, nausea, loose stools, rash, and nosebleeds. Taken with meals or freezing them can often decrease these side effects.

Special Precautions & Warnings:
Liver disease: Might increase the risk of bleeding.

Catastrophic allergic reactions possible. Anaphylactic shock in some cases can lead to death.

Bipolar disorder: Might increase some of the symptoms of this condition.

Depression: Might increase some of the symptoms of this condition.

Diabetes: There is some concern that taking high doses might make the control of blood sugar more difficult.

High blood pressure: Can lower blood pressure and might cause blood pressure to drop too low in people who are being treated with blood pressure-lowering medications.

HIV/AIDS and other conditions in which the immune system response is lowered: Higher doses of can lower the body’s immune system response. This could be a problem for people whose immune system is already weak.

An implanted defibrillator (a surgically placed device to prevent irregular heartbeat): Some, but not all, research suggests that it might increase the risk of irregular heartbeat in patients with an implanted defibrillator. Stay on the safe side by avoiding it.

Familial adenomatous polyposis: There is some concern that it might further increase the risk of getting cancer in people with this condition."

Careful not to stack with Omega 3 fish oil. Could be deadly. :lol:

Muscleaddict wrote: Careful not to stack with Omega 3 fish oil. Could be deadly. :lol:

:lol:

Muscleaddict wrote: Careful not to stack with Omega 3 fish oil. Could be deadly. :lol:

This isn´t a fun game to play with MA...

Not sure Pyro

But if its WRT the throtoxixosis,your post, I didn't add that those were nearly all symptoms I'm experiencing and well that made me more vigilant as it is also attributed to Clen. I dunno maybe I'm just paranoid now but ffs this is the crappest shittiest thing I've ever experienced and its not even pain,its like sudden death moments only I didn't die
I got it again today but not as bad as the last 3 times, the thing that's worrying me most is the feeling I get from my upper back into my head, like a warm pressure that's always there and doesn't go away,and most recently a small pain In my neck, as if I need a constant massage on that spot

@ this point I'm hoping it is the clens after effects then atleast there's something to point @
But 2 different Dr's now don't have any prognosis,that's a sh1t story

Still waiting on the thyroid test too

And MA please man, we all know omega 3's are dangerous lol

That list of sides was indeed for Omega 3 fish oil. The point is that you can´t go on simply reading text for a self-diagnosis. Bud I am not a doctor but I am quite sure you are not in any immediate danger and that you are either having anxiety attacks or allergy attacks. The more you think and stress about them the worse they get. I know the feeling- it feels like this is the end and you are just waiting for it to come. The Clen should be out your system by now. Anything new that you are using or doing that you weren´t doing before? Things like new washing detergents, soaps, shampoos, food, etc.

I agree, and I wouldn't self diagnose either,I just related as it is an after effect of clen and especially since the Dr told me she wants to check thyroid too and that got to me as well

Nothing new really,well my diet has changed since tuesday coz monday was my refeed,but this started Saturday so I doubt its that. Diet is balanced now 40 40 20 CPF and that's it

I'm also thinking it isn't the clen but not even the Dr's are sure

Just brainstorming, it could also be a severe deficiency of a certain vitamin, or a severe vitamin imbalance. For example if you have one of the B-vitamins e.g B3 in a large amount and not enough of another B-vitamin then that imbalance completely bones your system. Another example is a zinc or vitamin D or vitamin A deficiency or iron deficiency.

Possibly one of those but I also don't know,I've been using multi vitamin tabs which contain each of them as my RDA, maybe I'm missing something I don't know

The good news so far is I didn't get another epsiode yesterday other than getting light headed and dizzy even just lying down,so I guess its worth mentioning

But for now only time will tell if It gets any better

So howsit going?

I'd love to say much better but that wouldn't be true
The only thing that got better was since yesterday up until now I didn't get an "episode\attack"
But still same heavy warm feeling in my head and lame feeling in my neck.trying to stay relaxed though. I'm on no meds as none of the 2 Dr's gave me any so I'm just riding it out for now. I'm damn irritated coz I can't train or anything even if I wanted to coz the slightest quick move gets my heart racing

So I don't know anymore

Thanks for asking

You hang in there dude! This too shall pass.

Thanks bro!

Sooo!!

into my 3rd week now with no training and diet... feeling much better but id say @ 80%

No episodes to really speak of, just some light headedness so now and then but nothing hectic

This is getting so frustrating coz I have no idea when ill be ready to train again, i feel i can but i also feel the intensity will lack coz im not 100's

Just thought Ill update.. there goes my cycle as well