Polyols

What is you opinion on sugar alcohols?

For those that don’t know they are natural sweeteners found in fruit and some veg

Namely: Xylitol,Erythritol,maltitol to name a few but theres quite a lot

Now the theories behind these are they are between 50-80% as sweet as sugar BUT they don’t have an effect on blood sugar as they are not digested by the small intestine which means no raise in insulin whatsoever ,whatever is consumed will let out via urine.. Diabetics use them, they do have calories but very few as opposed to table sugar

A link for one of them xylitol.org/resources-articles-about-xylitol

I got me some Xylitol for my reefed days just to be safe, small pack

Who of you use them and who can attest to the effectiveness as opposed to table sugar?

Thanks

apparently, artificial sweeteners trick your body into thinking it got actual sugar, and then somehow make u more hungry .... never experienced this tho

I prefer sucralose. It tastes the most like the real thing and has basically no caloric value. Plus it's made from sugar by adding a few chlorine atoms to a sucrose molecule. I usually buy the Shweet brand as it's not too pricey.

I also haven't experienced this, I've done some more research though and found a few citations of studies done on some of the most common sugar alcohols used,Xylitol,maltitol and sorbitol commonly found in sugar free gum and sweets.. Apparently to some degree they do do raise insulin as they are 50> on the GI scale but only in some cases and GL is around 10 which kinda just passes not to "spike" insulin badly.. The safest that has absolutely no effect and zero calories is erythritol,but good luck finding that here and also its about R1800.00 per kg if I'm not mistaken

Muscleaddict wrote: I prefer sucralose. It tastes the most like the real thing and has basically no caloric value. Plus it's made from sugar by adding a few chlorine atoms to a sucrose molecule. I usually buy the Shweet brand as it's not too pricey.

I've tried this recently yes,nice taste.but I don't think ill use any of it other than on my refeed day.
I think Xylitol is abit cheaper? Like R38 for a 200g or is it more?

Have noticed sugar alcohols in certain protein bars etc and was always a little skeptical of the impact it would have on insulin as well as what calories it actually contained.

For drinks or anything else I use sucralose, it does taste quite sweet but just adjust the serving size to taste. I find xylitol too not be sweet enough for me despite using a few spoon fulls.

everything in moderation guys !

Liftmeister wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: I prefer sucralose. It tastes the most like the real thing and has basically no caloric value. Plus it's made from sugar by adding a few chlorine atoms to a sucrose molecule. I usually buy the Shweet brand as it's not too pricey.

I've tried this recently yes,nice taste.but I don't think ill use any of it other than on my refeed day.
I think Xylitol is abit cheaper? Like R38 for a 200g or is it more?

Sucralose has no calories so why worried about only using on refeed days? It works out cheaper than xylitol considering that 7mg is as sweet as 5000mg of sugar.

MA this is one the studies I found that gets me abit shaken seen as though I'm quite sensitive to insulin being on keto now

Sucralose Might Affect Blood Sugar

ST. LOUIS—High-intensity sweeteners often are recommended by health and nutrition experts, not just for calorie reduction, but to control blood sugar. However a recent study (“Sucralose affects glycemic and hormonal response to an oral glucose load, questions whether this is actually helpful when the sweetener is sucralose.

Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis found that sucralose, a sweetene sold under the brand name Splenda®, might  modify how the human body deals with sugar. The small study used 17 severely obese people  (an average body mass index of just over 42). Subjects did not have diabetes nor regularly used artificial sweeteners. “We wanted to study this population because these sweeteners frequently are recommended to them as a way to make their diets healthier by limiting calorie intake," says one of the study’s author M. Yanina Pepino, PhD, research assistant professor of medicine .

The test  subjects drank either plain water or sucralose before they took a glucose challenge test. “When study participants drank sucralose, their blood sugar peaked at a higher level than when they drank only water before consuming glucose," Pepino explained. “Insulin levels also rose about 20% higher. So the artificial sweetener was related to an enhanced blood insulin and glucose response."

The researchers don’t actually know if this is harmful. The elevated insulin response from sucralose means the person makes sufficient insulin to deal with spiking glucose levels, which is good. But excess insulin secretion  can promote insulin resistance, which can lead to type 2 diabetes.

Researchers theorize that this effect may occur because studies found the gastrointestinal tract and pancreas can detect sweet foods and drinks, including those with artificial sweeteners like sucralose, with receptors similar to those in the mouth. This causes an increased insulin release  and also can increase glucose absorption.

Pepino said further studies are needed to examine the potential mechanism that would cause sucralose to influence glucose and insulin levels, as well as if those changes are harmful. She noted that a 20% increase in insulin may or may not be clinically significant

care.diabetesjournals.org/content/early/...10-88dc-e8a91645b827 .

Yep, the theory is that non nutritive sweeteners can cause an insulin response because they active the 'sweet taste' receptors. This was shown in animal studies. Aspartame and saccarin included. This study on sucralose talks about an increase in insulin secretion when taken with glucose. There's another recent study where insulin response was measured after taking sucralose on it's own and it showed virtually no effect on insulin. I will see if I can find it later if you want. Xylitol will still have more effect on insulin which is why its GI is higher.

Selati Low Kilojoule sweetener - twist dispenser bottle, costs about R50. One twist=3kj, supposedly the sweetness equivalent of a teaspoon of sugar

Muscleaddict wrote: Yep, the theory is that non nutritive sweeteners can cause an insulin response because they active the 'sweet taste' receptors. This was shown in animal studies. Aspartame and saccarin included. This study on sucralose talks about an increase in insulin secretion when taken with glucose. There's another recent study where insulin response was measured after taking sucralose on it's own and it showed virtually no effect on insulin. I will see if I can find it later if you want. Xylitol will still have more effect on insulin which is why its GI is higher.

Yes please post it MA. Im quite interested

Effects of oral ingestion of sucralose on gut hormone response and appetite in healthy normal-weight subjects

Which name brand has Sucralose only MA ?

mike123 wrote: Which name brand has Sucralose only MA ?

Shweet made by Cipla.

Muscleaddict wrote:

mike123 wrote: Which name brand has Sucralose only MA ?

Shweet made by Cipla.

Pick n pay ?

I'm sure they have it. I get it at my local Spar.

Thanks MA

Ill be getting me some

@Mike I don’t think Pick n pay has it, atleast not what I saw.. I bought my xylitol there and that was the only sugar in their health/diabetes section
But most health shops should have it

Hulett's Equisweet also has a sucralose option. Keep in mind that although a lot of these artificial sweeteners don't illicit insulin responses, the other ingredients in the final product may. For example sweeteners in tablet form often contain lactose and sweeteners in powder form often contain dextrose (albeit small amounts I'm sure).

@MA: Do you get any after-taste/ affects from sucralose? I find it sometimes numbs my throat and pallet.

Furk wrote: Hulett's Equisweet also has a sucralose option. Keep in mind that although a lot of these artificial sweeteners don't illicit insulin responses, the other ingredients in the final product may. For example sweeteners in tablet form often contain lactose and sweeteners in powder form often contain dextrose (albeit small amounts I'm sure).

@MA: Do you get any after-taste/ affects from sucralose? I find it sometimes numbs my throat and pallet.

Nope, never experienced that. That's odd.

Stevia,not sure if sold here in SA has that after taste effect. Read lotsa reviews on it where most people report it