Casien Protein

Just want to get everyones view on Casien. Who uses it and do you find it an important part of your supplement/diet intake? I'm really interested in using it as meal replacement before bed.

Also I'm hoping to convince Ondier to start stocking it, so those that would be interested in getting it from him, make your intentions heard here

Don't rate it bud but have heard that because it is slower releasing that it is better for pre bed shake but just doesn't make sense to me to buy whey and a casien every month.

Thanks for the feedback. Wonder what DJ would feel about it as a replacement for meal 6 (before bed) I know whole foods are always better, but for convenience I'd like to have a shake instead of cooking 6 eggs at 10pm

True for convienience but nothing can beat a whole meal. He has obviously done this for a reason and a good one at that. I would just stick to what he says, it's always for your benefit

why dont u try whey and peanut butter?
I use that combo before bed.

casein is expensive imo

I think it would be good, especially if you're still stuffed from the last meal. The only thing is that after searching I found that whey is cheaper per kilo than casien. Also, adding peanut butter and other healthy fats would sow down the whey's absorption

I use 80g of oats, 20g of raw peanut butter/almonds and 60g of whey as my breakfast and mid afternoon snacks already. Perhaps 3 Shakes is a bit much for 1 day

Then by your own admission, that would exclude casien.

It's not ideal but shakes are beneficial, especially on a bulk

Have whey and peanut butter! Casein is WAY overpiced.

Also try cottage cheese on two rice cakes.

I alternate between those.

casein is awesome.i have 60g before bed.

Interesting article about Casein Protein


Milk proteins are made up of Whey (about 20%) and casein (about 80%). And as you probably already know, whey is a fast digesting protein compared to casein which is a slower digesting protein. The result is that aminoacidemia (levels of amino acids in blood) is faster in whey than in casein, which is of benefit post-workout for example.
However, not all casein proteins are the same. If you take the time to read casein protein labels or happen to compare several casein products you will see that some products contain Calcium Caseinate while others contain Micellar Casein. The products that contain Micellar Casein will most often display it prominently on the label, for one good reason: Micellar casein is a better form of casein than Calcium Caseinates.

First of all, Casein, as it exists in milk is Micellar Casein. Micellar is derived from the term “Micelle” which is a chemical term for a special type of aggregate or “bubble”. Micellar casein, when consumed, clots in the stomach, forming relatively large globules of protein that empty from the stomach much more slowly than whey protein and is thus digested slowly (1). The problem with Micellar Casein is that it is not soluble and therefore less desirable to the food industry. To solve this problem, Caseinates are made by reacting micellar casein with alkalis like Sodium Hydroxide and Calcium Hydroxide to make Sodium Caseinate and Calcium Caseinate respectively. As you would expect, this treatment with alkalis affect the quality and biological value of the caseinates, making them of lesser quality to Micellar Casein.

In a recent study done in Denmark, researchers found no difference between whey and calcium caseinate in terms of release of amino acids into the blood stream (2) (aminoacidemia). Calcium caseinate, as distinguished from micellar casein, is soluble (and is thus used in numerous food processes), and so digestion rates of this form of casein are not likely to be overtly different from those of whey.

The above, however, does not mean that you should ditch your caseinate into the bin. Caseinate is still a good source of protein of relatively lower cost. But be careful of supplement companies trying to pass caseinate as micellar casein because we are talking about two different qualities of protein here. Some companies selling caseinates are honest, clearly telling users that they are selling caseinates. Micellar casein is much more expensive than caseinates and if your goal is to get a true slow-release protein, then micellar is worth your buck. If you are not able to afford, milk is nature’s blend of whey and MICELLAR casein.


References:

1. Phillips SM. A comparison of whey to caseinate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 300: E610, 2011

2. Reitelseder S, Agergaard J, Doessing S, Helmark IC, Lund P, Kristensen NB, Frystyk JF, Flyvbjerg A, Schjerling P, van Hall G, Kjaer M, Holm L. Whey and casein labeled with l-[1-13C]leucine and muscle protein synthesis: effect of resistance exercise and protein ingestion. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 300: E231–E242, 2011

Whey, peanut butter and some good old cottage cheese.... pre bed shake right there

PoisonedPulse wrote: Whey, peanut butter and some good old cottage cheese.... pre bed shake right there

What quantities of peanut butter, whey and cottage cheese are we talking about here? N this would require the use of a blender right? Dont think my lil one of be a fan of that going off in the middle of the night lol

Aqueel,

i use 40g whey and 15g peanut butter...along with 500ml water after.

U can use a blender, but i eat the pb just so and have the whey after.
oh and its the pb with the yellow lid