What supps would you use if money was no problem??

Hi guys, so alot of you dont believe in the big supplement hype and mostly just use whey and pure aminos with some carbs.

Well if you could, what would your monthly supplement stack be?

Im trying to milk out as most gains as I can naturally before going on juice and I already have my cycle(test e,dbol,adex,winny,proviron,clen,ychl).

I was thinking of trying celltech and animal stak or mstak for a month or three and see what happens, I know its expensive, but i will pay almost any amount for the absolute best supplements.

So, if money was no option, what would your stack be, im talking test boosters,pre workouts,post workouts,intra workouts etc etc.

Shot looking forward to replies.

I used to love supplements and bought into all the hype etc. This was all way back when I started. But even till a few years ago I still bought the odd "miracle supplement".

If money wasn't an issue I'd basically just stick to food! At the way food prices are going its ridiculous. This would be my "wishlist"

Whey Concentrate
Whey Isolate
Glutamine
Creatine
Dextrose
Animal Stack / M Stack or whatever its called these days.

That's basically what I'm using now anyway besides the Animal. So its basically just more food.

Thats exactly what im using just have never tried animal stak or mstak, they are two different things. How do you rate its effectiveness out of 10?

And what did celltech do for you?

That was YEARS ago dude. Haven't bought any Animal products since 2003 - 2004 around there. Used the M Stack once and was quite impressed. Didn't know jack shit those days lol. I mainly used the original Animal Stack and Animal Test. They were both prohormone based and been discontinued years ago. I still have an empty container of each lying somewhere. If I remember correctly the M Stack and Animal Test gave me an insane pump during a workout that lasted for hours after. But....that could just have been mind over matter as well. Like I said it was long ago and I was quite dumb back then. I still am lol but learning everyday.

Never used Celltech mate

Sps iso pro for protiein, animal m stak for a multivitamin, sps glutec and ssn cytoguard as a pre work out and sps vitargo post work out, I do believe that sps have got the best product quality out in sa, I know one of the owners quite well and what they say is on the label is in the products that's for sure. A combination like that is best, to be honest u don't need loads of money on fancy ass muscletech products cos the label is pretty and jay cutler used to it(ps he has left muscle tech to start his new line) good quality beef fillet 2x a day,good chicken 2x a day, 2-3 whey shakes a day and hard training and sleeping is going to give you the edge, spend the money u would on celltech and buy some good quality beef!

Thanks alot guys!

Dj, i see that glutec is just glutamine,taurine and vitamins c and e. I guess i am going add taurine into my stack. The cytoguard is the same as glutec but with added GDA's,BCAA's,Arginine and HMB. Also the vitargo has the same.

I think im going to spend the money and buy a bunch of raw supplements and make my own mix.

The post workout will be:
GDA's (cromium 200mcg,ALA 1g,vandyl sulphate 50mg)
BCAA's 5g
Glutamine 5g
Arginine 3g
Taurine 2g
Dextrose/Vitargo 50g
HMB (will find out about the dosage)

I will definitely post results with this. Shot for the input

How about this for a pre-workout?

5g creatine
2g taurine
5g glutamine
5g arginine
HMB
5g BCAA's
50g glucose powder
GDA(as the formula on top)

Please advise on the dosages and feel free to make suggestions if I should add anything.

1000mg of ala is gonna make you feel shit! you wont get vanadyl sulphate easily. gdas at that dosage is gonna feel poes kak actually, i have taken 250mg pre and post training and i cant take it pre training any more as i want to vomit during work outs.

I get vanadyl sulphate easy have a connection bud.

Well thanks for that one im prone to kotsing after workouts. Why do the GDA's do that?

i seem to go hypoglycemic on to high a dosage so the low blood sugar and training aint a good combo.

Oh shit yeah. Thanks man

you can also add beta alanine to your pre workout mix. I simply love that stuff. 3-6g is enough

Gorrilla. A friend of mine works at dischem for evox and I have a price list of all the evox products including the universal animal range. If you want I can get them for u at dischem cost. Their most expensive product is the animal test which they sell for over R1200. Think his price was R800 odd and the stack and m stack was like R300 cheaper. Let me know and ill double check and hook u up if u want

ice-rip wrote: Gorrilla. A friend of mine works at dischem for evox and I have a price list of all the evox products including the universal animal range. If you want I can get them for u at dischem cost. Their most expensive product is the animal test which they sell for over R1200. Think his price was R800 odd and the stack and m stack was like R300 cheaper. Let me know and ill double check and hook u up if u want

I always use Animal Pak, i would only use animal m stack as I have tried it before and lOved it.
My constant supps are Fish oils,evening primrose,fiber,ala,chromium,cla,rychol,liv 52,ginkgo biloba,prostate care, reservatrol,irvinga and my Animal Pak,whey isolate.

Hmm, thanks alot ice-rip! I will talk you again, where you from, I might just try that animal stak, everyone ive talked to likes it.

Im going to make my own pre and post workout cocktail as well.

@koe: Thanks buddy! How do you rate the animal stak out of 10?

I'm from jhb bud. The stack 2 is an awesome but pricey product. Strength gains are very nice on it when I used it

Well im in cape town thats the problem bud. Thanks hey!

gorilla wrote: Hmm, thanks alot ice-rip! I will talk you again, where you from, I might just try that animal stak, everyone ive talked to likes it.

Im going to make my own pre and post workout cocktail as well.

@koe: Thanks buddy! How do you rate the animal stak out of 10?

I have used stack 2 and m stack and rate m stack higher. For a natural product brilliant maybe 8/10 I used it after pct and was on no creatine or anything and did nOtice great strength gains and a bit more fullness

Koe007 wrote:

gorilla wrote: Hmm, thanks alot ice-rip! I will talk you again, where you from, I might just try that animal stak, everyone ive talked to likes it.

Im going to make my own pre and post workout cocktail as well.

@koe: Thanks buddy! How do you rate the animal stak out of 10?

I have used stack 2 and m stack and rate m stack higher. For a natural product brilliant maybe 8/10 I used it after pct and was on no creatine or anything and did nOtice great strength gains and a bit more fullness

Do you have to use it more than one month for results to be nnoticed?

I dont want to buy 2 if one will suffice.

They suggest you use the stak first then Mstak

gorilla wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

gorilla wrote: Hmm, thanks alot ice-rip! I will talk you again, where you from, I might just try that animal stak, everyone ive talked to likes it.

Im going to make my own pre and post workout cocktail as well.

@koe: Thanks buddy! How do you rate the animal stak out of 10?

I have used stack 2 and m stack and rate m stack higher. For a natural product brilliant maybe 8/10 I used it after pct and was on no creatine or anything and did nOtice great strength gains and a bit more fullness

Do you have to use it more than one month for results to be nnoticed?

I dont want to buy 2 if one will suffice.

1 month was sufficient it is very overpriced test is way cheaper but I was off cycle at the time and mentally down

I've got a can of m stack a china gave to me that I havent touched yet. Suppose I should start taking them then. SPS' stuff looks good but damn pricey. Isn't it Gary Strydoms line?

regz wrote: I've got a can of m stack a china gave to me that I havent touched yet. Suppose I should start taking them then. SPS' stuff looks good but damn pricey. Isn't it Gary Strydoms line?

Yes. They say you should use the stak first then the mstak or something. Post results please hay!

Hey Gorilla just my 2 cents.
Do not use Arginine and Glutamine at the same time. They both fight for the same receptor and could even cancel each other out. Use Arginine Pre workout and Glutamine Post workout.
Use Glutamine three times a day. Morning, post workout and most importantly right before bed at 6/7g each. That way you get your 20g per day.
Why not add creatine monohydate pre- and post workout at 5g?
I would add BCAA's intra workout as well. They are quickly absorbed and make sure that your muscles have access to all the protein it needs.
Add 3g beta-alanine and 2g L-Carnitine preworkout.
What's the idea with using so much glucose powder pre-workout?
Also buy all your supps raw from Ondier and make your own blend. That way you are 100% sure what you are using is pure and you wont be paying for a label.

Think you misread the creatine part. Can you explain this glutamine and arginine receptor theory? I also heard this and told another dude on this site, but he wasnt too happy and I dont have solid proof that they do, but what I can tell you is that together they give quite a pump bro.

Thanks alot for your input how about this:
PRE:
5g Creatine
5g Arginine
5g BCAA's
3g Beta-Alinine
2g L-Carnitine
2g Taurine
HMB

POST:
5g Creatine
10g Glutamine
5g BCAA's
2g Carnitine
2g Taurine
HMB
GDA's
50g Carbs*

INTRA:
15g BCAA's
30g Carbs*

The glucose pre-workout should be post sorry bud. I just thought it might be good, I know its fast absorbed-cyclists use it and its cheap, but I guess i wont use it.
* What carbs do you recommend intra and post workout?

I was thinking Vitargo intra and Dextrose post. Thanks again shot bro

gorilla wrote: Think you misread the creatine part. (You didn't have Creatine post workout so I suggested that you add it to both your pre- and post-workout.) Can you explain this glutamine and arginine receptor theory? I also heard this and told another dude on this site, but he wasnt too happy and I dont have solid proof that they do, but what I can tell you is that together they give quite a pump bro. (I think you are referring to me here. I took your suggestion seriously and tried to read up on it a bit. Really struggled to get any scientific evidence, but it does seem that all the expert's opinions agree with you.)

Thanks alot for your input how about this:
PRE:
5g Creatine
5g Arginine
5g BCAA's
3g Beta-Alinine
2g L-Carnitine
2g Taurine
HMB
(Spot on!)

POST:
5g Creatine
10g Glutamine (Maybe a bit much. I think 7g is plenty)
5g BCAA's
2g Carnitine (No Carnitine post workout)
2g Taurine
HMB
GDA's
50g Carbs*

INTRA:
15g BCAA's (max 5g you are just gonna fart it out)
30g Carbs*

The glucose pre-workout should be post sorry bud. I just thought it might be good, I know its fast absorbed-cyclists use it and its cheap, but I guess i wont use it. (I thought it was a trick you guys use while on a keto diet. Otherwise I wouldn't use it)
* What carbs do you recommend intra and post workout? (Vitargo or Dextrose)

I was thinking Vitargo intra and Dextrose post (Really doesn't matter they both do the same thing). Thanks again shot bro

Pleasure bro!