which brand for First cycle

hi all,

so finally getting closer to my first cycle , either going to run just test or maybe add in DBOL as per the cycle suggestion on the site.

i have access to EU Pharma, UPA and Nortechlabs - any recommendations?

stats - age 33
weight - 77
height - 1.78
BF - around 12%

Oom G wrote: hi all,

so finally getting closer to my first cycle , either going to run just test or maybe add in DBOL as per the cycle suggestion on the site.

i have access to EU Pharma, UPA and Nortechlabs - any recommendations?

stats - age 33
weight - 77
height - 1.78
BF - around 12%

I have been happy with UPA.
Test E and NPP inject very smoothly sub-q.

thanks
do you get the same results as you would pinning Intramuscular?

I.m faster absorption rate
s.q slower absorption rate

Pin i.m

Upa.

What cycle are you planning to run as there are better options than dbol.

Oom G wrote: thanks
do you get the same results as you would pinning Intramuscular?

Yes I like sub-q.
Slower absorption so for Test E/C, one shot a week is perfect.
Potentially less conversion to E.
It will also drop SHBG a lot less than intramuscular, if you are taking a DHT-derivative this point is moot.

Empire wrote: Upa.

What cycle are you planning to run as there are better options than dbol.

was just planning to follow the beginners bulking cycle written by Admin.

genetically i just don't seems to hold mass , most of my training is also high intensity

so i am increasing my calorie intake and hoping the test will help with some mass
i have seen DBOL make some people bloat up , and i don't really want that look, but i don't know if TBOL would do much as i am a pretty skinny dude at the moment

what would recommend bro?

so here is the the thing, dbol is going to blow you up with water, and too much testosterone isn't a good thing. i would need some stats, but i think if you battle to hold on to mass that a 19nor would be a better option than dbol as it also makes you retain fluid and hold more mass.

issue comes in as to you don't know how your body responds. so the first thing is we would to minimize estrogen issues so we max your testosterone at 3mg per kg of body weight. we would want a decent amount of 19nor being your first cycle, i would suggest 2mg per kg. and then because we would want to cover prolatin based issues, i would opt for 1mg masteron per kg. now i know people are going to say whoa that's a lot of shit.

but if you look at this : 50mg of dbol over 7 days is 350mg per week, plus 450-600mg testosterone you sitting quite high.

now as i say this is all predicated on your body weight and you would be maxing out for your first course at 6mg per kg. over a 15 weeks period should result in great gains.

and i didnt read the first post properly of 77kgs.

so lets say you want to get to 90kgs at the end of the cycle.

90x 3mg per kg is 270mg. so we can round down to 250mg of testosterone
90x 2mg per kg is 180mg. so we can run 200mg of NPP.
90kgs 1mg per kg is 90mg so we can round up your masteron e dosing to 100mg per KG.

so all in all 550mg per week over a 15 weeks time frame with increasing calories as well as training volume, you are going to be good to go.

Oom G wrote:

Empire wrote: Upa.

What cycle are you planning to run as there are better options than dbol.

was just planning to follow the beginners bulking cycle written by Admin.

genetically i just don't seems to hold mass , most of my training is also high intensity

so i am increasing my calorie intake and hoping the test will help with some mass
i have seen DBOL make some people bloat up , and i don't really want that look, but i don't know if TBOL would do much as i am a pretty skinny dude at the moment

what would recommend bro?

Test only makes sense from the POV that you will more cycles afterwards and do not plan on making money off performance/aesthetics. Taking it slow, assessing tolerance.

I like the idea of Testosterone with controlled E2 and maximal Free T.

Test E/C anywhere from 300-600mg per week, with oxandrolone/winstrol the last 4-6 weeks overlapping into clearance period is a reasonable approach.

Personally, I wouldn't use a 19-nor or a test derivative first cycle.

Testosterone + DHT derivative is pretty safe with a smaller deviation in individual response - highly predictable.

I would keep anastrozole on hand, I like prophylactic use, common advice is use only if you get high E2 sides.

Week 1-12: Test E/C 500mg
Week 10-16: Anavar 40-50mg

I don't think this will be mass building, but it will be a hell of a step from natty.

Then I think masteron + NPP could be a very good cycle for packing on slabs of muscle.

Ok so as much as I hear you on what you are saying let's break it down logically. At 500mg test a week he is at the 6.5mg testosterone per kg mark. Potential estrogen side effects? 9/10. Massive water retention, increased hemoglobin and hematocrit and rbc 8/10 potential for blood pressure issues 7/10. Those are given at higher doses of testosterone. Need for an ai which is shit for joints, cholesterol, and blood lipids not to mention an additional cost with 0 muscle building effects? Probably.then there is the 280-350mg anavar a week to end the course. So we are at over 10mg per kg for his first course. As total dosing will be between 740 and 850mg.you say keep an ai on hand, but an ai can he mitigated with lower testosterone use and not having to have a drug in the cupboard that has no anabolic properties.

19nor, yes potential for prolactin issues but the cell volume effect is massive, and the masteron in there for prolactin and estrogen control. So no need for an ai, no massive BP issues potentially if diet is correct..where my idea start to finish is 550mg.based on body weight and potential bodyweight he wants to get to. Plus there is the synergy of testosterone, 19nor and dht all in 1 cycle improving the synergy of all drugs taken..that with lowering shbg blah blah blah.

Plus there is the neurological benefits of the masteron on the mind muscle connection driving the workouts and the 19nors adding in recovery based cascades over just using a higher dose testosterone.

And I'm making 0 money on this performance/aesthetic appeal.

There is a reason why when you walk into a doctors room they put you on a scale, it's because drugs are predicated on body weight. And a flat 500-600mg test cycle blanket to everyone means that it's just thrown out those numbers work but aren't adjusted based on the individual.

@empire thank you for all the help
getting to the final stages of arraning everything

want to have bloods done first
can you suggest what all i should test?

been through tons of over peoples results, but cant seem to find a list of the important things that i need to ask for at the lab.