Ciccone orals

Furk wrote: Jono, I think the seniors are just being wary and cautious. There's been blatant shilling on the forums in the past. Another factor is the negative image Ciccone has been garnering as of late. I'm talking about the aggressive marketing and the "school boy's" post. So it kind of makes sense that the controlling authority of this site doesn't want that attitude promoted here

I understand furk bro

Still waiting for your other product and brand links on this forum.

Oupa wrote: Still waiting for your other product and brand links on this forum.

And requests for photos of products that are badly reviewed

Oupa wrote: Still waiting for your other product and brand links on this forum.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I meant that other members do the same thing of updating us on new things that are available. Or am I missing the ball? :blink:

We just would like to see the same thing for other labs. Clearly if you are getting these pics from your supplier and information, can you share some of the other labs photos and information too.

Hormonas wrote:

Oupa wrote: Still waiting for your other product and brand links on this forum.

And requests for photos of products that are badly reviewed

Have you contacted your dealer and told him the stuff is shit? I told mine that there were complaints about it and he is doing what he can to find out if there was a crap batch and he also asked me to get pics if I could.

Personally I would only buy PGW oils and LP orals because I do believe they are the best from others experience,I haven't tried them but fuck why does a guy get so much flack for informing a steroid forum full of guys who use and buy steroids about new steroids on the market?

00pump wrote: We just would like to see the same thing for other labs. Clearly if you are getting these pics from your supplier and information, can you share some of the other labs photos and information too.

Well admin updates us on PGW and LP. Someone else updated me at least on HD mixes in another thread. My guy only gets Ciccone,keifei and alpha Pharma. If he sends me something from another lab I won't share it anyway because then I'll probably get shit for it too. RB got the same stuff I just beat him to it on the forum.

Jono77 wrote:

00pump wrote: We just would like to see the same thing for other labs. Clearly if you are getting these pics from your supplier and information, can you share some of the other labs photos and information too.

Well admin updates us on PGW and LP. Someone else updated me at least on HD mixes in another thread. My guy only gets Ciccone,keifei and alpha Pharma. If he sends me something from another lab I won't share it anyway because then I'll probably get shit for it too. RB got the same stuff I just beat him to it on the forum.

No you will not get in shit if you post Keifei and Alpha.. Stop being so sensitive. Of course we going to keep and eye on people we feel are involved with labs, that's a fact, prove us differently and give a variety of labs pics and content. And what admin updates us on is completely up to him as this is his forum and we are all members here sharing knowledge, just like he is doing.

OMG you guys are being children. Give it a rest. If Jono proves to be pushing Ciccone, cross that bridge when you get there. Everything is public here, we can collectively flame him he deserves it. But he hasn't given any reason to believe he has a hidden agenda since he was called out. In fact he's made a good point about PGW.


When I joined here I was suspicious about everyone being so pro LP and PGW. While other places were pro nomad and Axio. But guess what, the guys here could get it and thus compare it! Not everyone I spoke to could source the good stuff, so they never tried it. It's threads like Oupa's review thread that shows there's honest opinion out there across the brands.

I mean one of the reasons I value this place is because my peer members are living in the same country. There's only a handful of us and a shit-tonne of international sites. Let's maybe make use of each other's experiences?

Peace out cub scouts.

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Okay let's just put this to bed, I'm not pushing anything, if I get Ciccone updates I will post them here,if I get keifei or alpha updates I will post them in their own respective threads. Finish and kla, fucken hell

Furk wrote: OMG you guys are being children. Give it a rest. If Jono proves to be pushing Ciccone, cross that bridge when you get there. Everything is public here, we can collectively flame him he deserves it. But he hasn't given any reason to believe he has a hidden agenda since he was called out. In fact he's made a good point about PGW.


When I joined here I was suspicious about everyone being so pro LP and PGW. While other places were pro nomad and Axio. But guess what, the guys here could get it and thus compare it! Not everyone I spoke to could source the good stuff, so they never tried it. It's threads like Oupa's review thread that shows there's honest opinion out there across the brands.

I mean one of the reasons I value this place is because my peer members are living in the same country. There's only a handful of us and a shit-tonne of international sites. Let's maybe make use of each other's experiences?

Peace out cub scouts.

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And it's not your job to make these calls, it is ours, and until the playing field has been evened out, e.g. enough posts and pics with other labs, we will have our eye on him.

Fair enough,my contact doesn't really send me other brand pics but I'll ask him to if something comes up. I've got nothing to hide.

On another note and carrying on with furk question, what is the difference in terms of chemical process that happens within our body between a pro Hormone and an oral aas?

00pump wrote:

Furk wrote: OMG you guys are being children. Give it a rest. If Jono proves to be pushing Ciccone, cross that bridge when you get there. Everything is public here, we can collectively flame him he deserves it. But he hasn't given any reason to believe he has a hidden agenda since he was called out. In fact he's made a good point about PGW.


When I joined here I was suspicious about everyone being so pro LP and PGW. While other places were pro nomad and Axio. But guess what, the guys here could get it and thus compare it! Not everyone I spoke to could source the good stuff, so they never tried it. It's threads like Oupa's review thread that shows there's honest opinion out there across the brands.

I mean one of the reasons I value this place is because my peer members are living in the same country. There's only a handful of us and a shit-tonne of international sites. Let's maybe make use of each other's experiences?

Peace out cub scouts.

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And it's not your job to make these calls, it is ours, and until the playing field has been evened out, e.g. enough posts and pics with other labs, we will have our eye on him.

Kannie vir n fok glo ek lees wat jy se nie Furk. Swak !

Furk wrote: OMG you guys are being children. Give it a rest. If Jono proves to be pushing Ciccone, cross that bridge when you get there. Everything is public here, we can collectively flame him he deserves it. But he hasn't given any reason to believe he has a hidden agenda since he was called out. In fact he's made a good point about PGW.


When I joined here I was suspicious about everyone being so pro LP and PGW. While other places were pro nomad and Axio. But guess what, the guys here could get it and thus compare it! Not everyone I spoke to could source the good stuff, so they never tried it. It's threads like Oupa's review thread that shows there's honest opinion out there across the brands.

I mean one of the reasons I value this place is because my peer members are living in the same country. There's only a handful of us and a shit-tonne of international sites. Let's maybe make use of each other's experiences?

Peace out cub scouts.

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Who do you think you are calling us children, you are starting to push your luck with an attitude like that.

This site is pro LP and PGW, why do you think there is a fucking PGW and LP banner on the top of the page. But don't forget who owns this site. You are a guest here getting a FREE platform to discuss topics as long as they are within MY rules. This is not a fucking democracy here where you have ANY say how I run this website. I've allowed you to use the site logo on your t-shirts because I appreciate what you do for the community, but don't think you have any say whatsoever here.

Jono is 100% pushing Ciccone and he is very close to getting banned and I will not hesitate to ban any member that breaks the rules. We allow honest reviews, but I can smell bullshit and I've smelled it long ago already.

Jono77 wrote: Okay let's just put this to bed, I'm not pushing anything, if I get Ciccone updates I will post them here,if I get keifei or alpha updates I will post them in their own respective threads. Finish and kla, fucken hell

I recommend you don't post any more updates unless you want to get kicked off. If you are not happy with that you are welcome to go.

Oupa wrote: Kannie vir n fok glo ek lees wat jy se nie Furk. Swak !

What a disappointment indeed.

Jono.

All those listed and current Ciccone Pro Hormones are not actually pro hormones they all are What you call Designer Steroids. So the do not convert into anything they are already powerful AAS but they are all methylated some believe and I agree that makes them more liver and kidney toxic that is why I is not advised to cycle them longer than 4 weeks and never cycle them without Essentiale Extreme

I don't mean to rock the boat here admin, but with the way ciccone sends out these multiple broadcast messages to everyone regarding the steroid activities going on in the south African market, I would be inclined to say that anyone can push ciccone these days.

As much as these updates can be incredibly useful they are also incredibly propaganda driven. Not every steroid user in the whole of sa needs to know the inner workings of the industry such as who is involved in which brand and what goes on. All it does is creates a bigger case file for each brand if something goes wrong as the ciccone guys are not very discreet about naming and shaming people affiliated to other brands other than ciccone.

There is also alot of feuding going on between ciccone and axio owners that is best left between them. Not everyone needs to know the dirty laundry going on between them. As much as certain updates are probably pretty useful to have, just as many are just full of marketing.

Gone are the days where people didn't need to know the inner workings of who is involved with what. And gone are the days of just producing good quality products for the consumer without causing a turf war between brands.

Empire wrote: I don't mean to rock the boat here admin, but with the way ciccone sends out these multiple broadcast messages to everyone regarding the steroid activities going on in the south African market, I would be inclined to say that anyone can push ciccone these days.

As much as these updates can be incredibly useful they are also incredibly propaganda driven. Not every steroid user in the whole of sa needs to know the inner workings of the industry such as who is involved in which brand and what goes on. All it does is creates a bigger case file for each brand if something goes wrong as the ciccone guys are not very discreet about naming and shaming people affiliated to other brands other than ciccone.

There is also alot of feuding going on between ciccone and axio owners that is best left between them. Not everyone needs to know the dirty laundry going on between them. As much as certain updates are probably pretty useful to have, just as many are just full of marketing.

Gone are the days where people didn't need to know the inner workings of who is involved with what. And gone are the days of just producing good quality products for the consumer without causing a turf war between brands.

Yeah, you're right. Even though I have absolutely no interest in these political games and smear campaigns, I will not allow Ciccone's little minions to disrupt and corrupt the forum with their crap. I've been following certain members' posts awhile now and acted very tolerantly until now, but you know the signs as well as I do and it's obvious that this is no longer innocent product announcements.

I have absolutely nothing against product announcements from brands I don't support personally, but I will not allow any person or group from hi-jacking my website. I'll ban every last one of them no matter how important they think they are.

I'm very much biased toward LP and PGW and I've never made a secret of that, but the forum is neutral and I'll get rid of anyone that abuses this platform. I've done this countless times before, so it's not a problem for me to take action again. I pay for the bandwidth of this site and I offer an ad-free website where steroid and body-building related matters can be discussed anonymously, but it's still under my control and under my rules. The kids these days are manipulated from early on to think the world owes them something, so they think they have the same privileges I have and they should think again. They are nothing but guests here using a FREE service I provide them under my rules.

Steroid users should wake up and realize that they are promoting the Mafia-like behaviour of these labs by supporting them and following them blindly like sheep. Instead they should turn against labs that act like drug labs and support those that really care about the sport. That's probably too much to ask, but at least that is how it will work here.

Hey guys, I know I run my mouth waaaaay too often. I guess I just naturally see the innocent side in people, therfore thought of Jono having only good intentions. Didn't expect to get that type of response, certainly wasn't aiming for it. Nor was I trying to tell the mods and Admin how to run the show. I'll have to refrain typing posts while I'm at work in the future

On the LP and PGW topic: I'm for those labs, I don't know how to say it any clearer. I get why people here are loyal to them. Serious, so am I.

"OMG you're children" comment: I consider myself a quite eloquent and well spoken person, that particular comment was said ironically.

Tshirts: I don't presume to be an authority figure. What I meant by "mediate" was that I could empathise with both sides and was just trying to calm the waters. But going back and reading my comment I can see how you guys took it as me trying to exert authority. Sincere apology.


All in all I've got no stakes which lab gets used by which person. The only thing I'm promoting is free thought and free choice.

Cheers.

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admin wrote:

Empire wrote: I don't mean to rock the boat here admin, but with the way ciccone sends out these multiple broadcast messages to everyone regarding the steroid activities going on in the south African market, I would be inclined to say that anyone can push ciccone these days.

As much as these updates can be incredibly useful they are also incredibly propaganda driven. Not every steroid user in the whole of sa needs to know the inner workings of the industry such as who is involved in which brand and what goes on. All it does is creates a bigger case file for each brand if something goes wrong as the ciccone guys are not very discreet about naming and shaming people affiliated to other brands other than ciccone.

There is also alot of feuding going on between ciccone and axio owners that is best left between them. Not everyone needs to know the dirty laundry going on between them. As much as certain updates are probably pretty useful to have, just as many are just full of marketing.

Gone are the days where people didn't need to know the inner workings of who is involved with what. And gone are the days of just producing good quality products for the consumer without causing a turf war between brands.

Yeah, you're right. Even though I have absolutely no interest in these political games and smear campaigns, I will not allow Ciccone's little minions to disrupt and corrupt the forum with their crap. I've been following certain members' posts awhile now and acted very tolerantly until now, but you know the signs as well as I do and it's obvious that this is no longer innocent product announcements.

I have absolutely nothing against product announcements from brands I don't support personally, but I will not allow any person or group from hi-jacking my website. I'll ban every last one of them no matter how important they think they are.

I'm very much biased toward LP and PGW and I've never made a secret of that, but the forum is neutral and I'll get rid of anyone that abuses this platform. I've done this countless times before, so it's not a problem for me to take action again. I pay for the bandwidth of this site and I offer an ad-free website where steroid and body-building related matters can be discussed anonymously, but it's still under my control and under my rules. The kids these days are manipulated from early on to think the world owes them something, so they think they have the same privileges I have and they should think again. They are nothing but guests here using a FREE service I provide them under my rules.

Steroid users should wake up and realize that they are promoting the Mafia-like behaviour of these labs by supporting them and following them blindly like sheep. Instead they should turn against labs that act like drug labs and support those that really care about the sport. That's probably too much to ask, but at least that is how it will work here.

I am very much in agreement with this policy to be honest. But unfortunately there are quite a few labs that have this gangster mentality and hopefully it calms down otherwise it will land all involved in hot water.

The beef doesn't end at the top level unfortunately. I have seen the runners get into massive turf wars where they have come to blows over guys supplying customers and this filters up to the top. It is sad that there are probably 100s of small time steroid busts that we never hear about due to it getting sorted out, but I can bet my bottom dollar that alot of the busts are from guys ratting each other out.

Every brand have their sheep, that we have seen. And I don't think, with the way that these guys are actually marketing things, it is going to change.I think it is stupid the way that these guys are handing out t-shirts, doing social media marketing to sponsoring athletes, it just makes the nail stand out further to be hammered.

Empire wrote: I am very much in agreement with this policy to be honest. But unfortunately there are quite a few labs that have this gangster mentality and hopefully it calms down otherwise it will land all involved in hot water.

The beef doesn't end at the top level unfortunately. I have seen the runners get into massive turf wars where they have come to blows over guys supplying customers and this filters up to the top. It is sad that there are probably 100s of small time steroid busts that we never hear about due to it getting sorted out, but I can bet my bottom dollar that alot of the busts are from guys ratting each other out.

Every brand have their sheep, that we have seen. And I don't think, with the way that these guys are actually marketing things, it is going to change.I think it is stupid the way that these guys are handing out t-shirts, doing social media marketing to sponsoring athletes, it just makes the nail stand out further to be hammered.

I have to admit that I'm not up to date with the latest feuds between labs out there and I don't want to get involved. I can see this all collapsing into one big mess unless the gangsterism stops. I can't change that and I can't change the way these people market their stuff, but I do control how they operate here and I'll keep them out.

I can't predict how the aggressive marketing will turn out in the end, but I share your concerns about it putting the spotlight on the steroid underworld and we've seen from past incidents in SA and abroad how authorities react when that happens. It's never good for the bodybuilding community.

One thing I do know, based on my studying of leaked documents on mass government surveillance is that these guys marketing on social media are fucked already as well as the people that associate with them. The building of profiles by governments and companies on people based on their internet metadata is probably the biggest threat we don't know about yet. These people should not be surprised if in 20 years they are refused medical coverage due to them using steroids today. It might be illegal, but that doesn't stop them, anyone can check wikileaks if they don't believe me.

Jono77 wrote:
Personally I would only buy PGW oils and LP orals because I do believe they are the best from others experience,I haven't tried them but fuck why does a guy get so much flack for informing a steroid forum full of guys who use and buy steroids about new steroids on the market?

Kak man, gaan lees jou ander posts en vat jou pakkie kak soos n man. Die fancy pussy foot gatkruip houding gaan jou nerens in die lewe bring nie.

As jy dink Ciccone is befok, dan se jy so, dan weet ons almal. Maar jou kak manier om product te push, en dan lieg jy soos n fokken Zuma boetie, dit irriteer mens.

Anyway, ek is n ou aap, en dra my eie ketting, so dis genoeg van my kant af.

@admin...I have seen wikileaks and the refusal of treatment becoming the status quo in SA is not far off. They already looking for excuses not to pay.

Oupa wrote:

Jono77 wrote:
Personally I would only buy PGW oils and LP orals because I do believe they are the best from others experience,I haven't tried them but fuck why does a guy get so much flack for informing a steroid forum full of guys who use and buy steroids about new steroids on the market?

Kak man, gaan lees jou ander posts en vat jou pakkie kak soos n man. Die fancy pussy foot gatkruip houding gaan jou nerens in die lewe bring nie.

As jy dink Ciccone is befok, dan se jy so, dan weet ons almal. Maar jou kak manier om product te push, en dan lieg jy soos n fokken Zuma boetie, dit irriteer mens.

Anyway, ek is n ou aap, en dra my eie ketting, so dis genoeg van my kant af.

Ja, as ek reg onthou het LP se Superdrol nooit volgens hom "gewerk" nie en nou se hy dit sal sy enigste keuse wees.