Ciccone vs HDLabs

my bad...

Hey dude, 1st up....who is _name-removed_? How Is that name suppose to impress me into buying ciccone? 2ndly, they manufacturing locally now? I always thought the selling point for their products was they had a state of the art lab in China therefore better then the UG guys that manufacture locally? Also what sustaplex incident if u don't mind me asking?

I wasnt trying to name and shame, so my bad on that.. from what I've heard they now have a lab locally and only the GH is imported from cambodia.. like i said its what ive heard... so take it with a pinch of salt

I had a major pops with sustaplex to a point I could hardly even walk, a shot of voltaren straight into that spot luckily sorted that out quick

Never had the issue again since changing to ciccone, hearing lots of rumors that there has been a compromise in their quality but cant say so myself till I've experienced it myself.

the proof will be in the pudding when I run my next cycle as I'm still an avid ciccone fan and have seen great results from their product

each person has their own experiences either good or bad cause at the end of the day our bodies react differently

I'm just keen to hear if anyone has ran a proper HD labs cycle and can give an honest comparison, If i'm going to spend money and inject a foreign substance I'd like to hope its of superior quality

tweaked wrote:

Hey dude, 1st up....who is _name-removed_? How Is that name suppose to impress me into buying ciccone? 2ndly, they manufacturing locally now? I always thought the selling point for their products was they had a state of the art lab in China therefore better then the UG guys that manufacture locally? Also what sustaplex incident if u don't mind me asking?

I wasnt trying to name and shame, so my bad on that.. from what I've heard they now have a lab locally and only the GH is imported from cambodia.. like i said its what ive heard... so take it with a pinch of salt

I had a major pops with sustaplex to a point I could hardly even walk, a shot of voltaren straight into that spot luckily sorted that out quick

Never had the issue again since changing to ciccone, hearing lots of rumors that there has been a compromise in their quality but cant say so myself till I've experienced it myself.

the proof will be in the pudding when I run my next cycle as I'm still an avid ciccone fan and have seen great results from their product

each person has their own experiences either good or bad cause at the end of the day our bodies react differently

I'm just keen to hear if anyone has ran a proper HD labs cycle and can give an honest comparison, If i'm going to spend money and inject a foreign substance I'd like to hope its of superior quality

My buddy used to use ciccone, its good, it works. He was using tren and test, then I got him to use PGW, and although dosed lower (80mg-pgw, 100mg-ciccone tren) he found that it "hit harder" ....

PGW pricing comparison?? more or less than ciccone

sorry but my wife sets the budget

tweaked wrote: PGW pricing comparison?? more or less than ciccone

sorry but my wife sets the budget

I think that would depend on your supplier? for me, PGW is slightly cheaper.

tweaked wrote: PGW pricing comparison?? more or less than ciccone

sorry but my wife sets the budget

No price discussions or comparisons. Wayne you should know better.

Last warning.

Tweaked, read the damn rules.


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sorry guys, will refrain from this in future

Oupa wrote:

tweaked wrote: PGW pricing comparison?? more or less than ciccone

sorry but my wife sets the budget

No price discussions or comparisons. Wayne you should know better.

Last warning.[/quote


Just got the smackdown laid on me....sorry...anyhow truthfully I don't think the decent brands are priced too far apart, the correct answer would have been for me to tell you tweaked that its not so much price that matters buy quality....I am a little annoyed cos it seems to me that u "punting" ciccone hard...and honestly, like I seen the difference as well as my buddy seeing and feeling pgw being superior to ciccone. I honestly believe pgw is the best ug lab in south Africa!!! And I think most guys on here that have used pgw would think the same!!

apolgies fro dropping you in the kak bro, yeah I'm trying just to make sure I'm getting best bang for my buck as the brands are popping up left right and center

I got great results from ciccone at the start but it feels as if the quality went downhill. Very dissapointed with my last cycle.
I rather just stick to
Genitec
Pgw
Liquid pharma in the future

Thanks, this is my concern too, my friend said he's also moved away from PGW for the same reason and thus changed to HDlabs, he'll be giving me a update on the HD stuff in a month or so as he has just started his cycle on HD.

I dont want to waste good money to end up with kak results

just my 2 cents
know a few guys that use PGW and Liquid Pharma - never hear complaints, always consistent good quality

they have tried Ciccone orals and said that it didn't feel to work as well as what they used to.
not knocking the brand just sharing info.

but as Wayne said i wouldn't worry about price actually, id worry about quality and what works best for you.

What ever it is, if it works for you and other stick with it, regardless the name. I am not pro any brand besides LP as I trust the source. I am very sceptical when it comes to oils and stuff and I am freightend of what I am putting into me, an oil that sits inside your body and if that oil is not 10000000% sterilized you could be in big shit. I think the old school horror stories have gone to pass, but we should probably reintroduce some of the videos or articles of people losing limbs because of what they injecting. This site is all about the same use of anabolics, that's it, so it's my duty as a moderator to advise everyone to be careful and a good batch today of a new product could be a lethal batch tomorrow. How many have died from bad oral recreational drugs because of a bad batch. Do you think they care if you die ? No.. the same is true about anabolics, there is changing handa that take place and anyone of those people could be wanting to make a quick buck, whether it be a new brand or someone spoofing the brand of a legitimate brand, who says that the pills you get are not pressed with something dangerous to your body. Play it safe guys, would like to see all members prove to the powers that be that steroids can be used safely and if each and everyone or us become brothers in arms, maybe one day this could be brought to our doctors rooms (I know some do), but FDA approved for use and can be taxed and we all monitored by physicians and allow us to cycle safe and the government is happy as it's controlled. No steroids at schools, more education on the matter to everyone parents and users. This would allow for more comprehensive clinical trials and allot less bro science or outdated 'facts' we have been given and sharing. Stay safe members.

100%

How ironic after writing that I find this article.

Biggest Problem?

I think it is great that you are trying to clean up the counterfeit market. What do you think is the biggest problem right now? Is it getting different steroids, no steroids, dirty gear, steroids contaminated with other chemicals or drugs? How bad is it, really?

Well, unfortunately, we don’t truly know the state of the underground market. A thorough analysis on the products traded there has not been conducted. There have been a few studies conducted, mainly in Europe. There are bits of information here and there. But laboratory testing is expensive. We don’t see a lot of private or university investment in examining the black market. Especially in the United States, where we don’t even have law enforcement data made public to review, we’re making a lot of guesses.

With that stated, I’ll let you know what concerns me most right now. It is lack of sterility. I see a lot of people suffering with injection-site infections these days. Sometimes, the issues are quite serious. I’ve seen too much of it, actually. This is in great contrast to “my day.” Twenty years ago, I knew tons of people who were using gear. I personally never had an infection … never had a friend of mine get an infection. I’m sure it happened from time to time around me, but the prominence was nothing like it is today.

Going back 20 years, the market was quite different. Counterfeits existed, yes. There were good and bad products. But most of it was made in some form of laboratory. The past decade, we’ve seen an enormous shift. Steroids are now largely manufactured in small, underground labs. By nature, these operating conditions are not sterile. It is actually quite difficult to produce a true “clean room.” Drug companies spend enormous amounts of money building and maintaining them. Some dude’s kitchen will never be one. This is why bacterial contamination is far more common today than it was long ago.

Is bacteria the most common quality control issue? That, I can’t say. There are many other issues the market is dealing with right now. Recently, an informal study in Wales found that one-third of back-market drugs contained different or no anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) compounds at all. One out of every three products! And this is Wales, where possession is legal, and in my experience, access to pharmaceuticals is greater. And small studies like these rarely look at all potential contamination, such as heavy metals and other drugs. Whenever we’ve looked for these, we have found issues, at least in a small percentage of tested products. Bacterial contamination concerns me most because it is landing the most people in the hospital right now. I think it is the most obvious problem.

I’m actually in the process of launching a new AAS testing service with a group in Europe. I’m looking forward to this immensely, as it will give me much greater access to market information. I’m hoping we’ll be able to produce more thorough reports on black-market quality than we’ve seen already. Hopefully, this will all work out. In the meantime, my advice would be to take great care with what you buy and what you put into your body. For sure, there are pharmaceutical-grade products available. If you can find them, in my opinion, it is worth spending a high premium for them. One bad infection can quickly make you regret all the savings from cheap, underground gear!



William Llewellyn is the author of the anabolic steroid reference guide, ANABOLICS 10th Edition. He is also a longtime team member at Muscular Development, having been a regular monthly columnist since 2002. William adapted this steroid profile from his work at anabolic.org. He is also credited with helping to develop ROIDTEST™, an at-home steroid testing kit used to identify real and fake steroid products.

00pump wrote: What ever it is, if it works for you and other stick with it, regardless the name. I am not pro any brand besides LP as I trust the source. I am very sceptical when it comes to oils and stuff and I am freightend of what I am putting into me, an oil that sits inside your body and if that oil is not 10000000% sterilized you could be in big shit. I think the old school horror stories have gone to pass, but we should probably reintroduce some of the videos or articles of people losing limbs because of what they injecting. This site is all about the same use of anabolics, that's it, so it's my duty as a moderator to advise everyone to be careful and a good batch today of a new product could be a lethal batch tomorrow. How many have died from bad oral recreational drugs because of a bad batch. Do you think they care if you die ? No.. the same is true about anabolics, there is changing handa that take place and anyone of those people could be wanting to make a quick buck, whether it be a new brand or someone spoofing the brand of a legitimate brand, who says that the pills you get are not pressed with something dangerous to your body. Play it safe guys, would like to see all members prove to the powers that be that steroids can be used safely and if each and everyone or us become brothers in arms, maybe one day this could be brought to our doctors rooms (I know some do), but FDA approved for use and can be taxed and we all monitored by physicians and allow us to cycle safe and the government is happy as it's controlled. No steroids at schools, more education on the matter to everyone parents and users. This would allow for more comprehensive clinical trials and allot less bro science or outdated 'facts' we have been given and sharing. Stay safe members.

....Medal worthy

Has anyone tride the HD labs tren ace yet ? And does it live up to axio tren ace

donkiekong wrote: Has anyone tride the HD labs tren ace yet ? And does it live up to axio tren ace

What does it have to live up two?

Just basic quality , want to know is the quality the same , better , worse , underdosed ?? I know its not pgw standerd tho none of the two labs mentioned is pgw standerd

No one use the HD tren yet?

Currently running HD tren due to Pgw not having stock!!!
Only been on for a week now. Started on a low dosage and gonna gradually ramp it up. I could do 80mg eod on Pgw but not too sure how strong ( or underdosed) the HD labs is...
Will keep you updated...

Dont expect a negative, jesus give it a fair go at testing please. If your negative about a brand, your head is going to start talking kak in your head. Open mind, be fair when you compare brands


PS - HD labs should send me a sample, i will tell you if its tren a

Think we should make that happen oupa then we can know if its good shit or just plain shit

Going to be trying out 10ml of HD labs tren ace and masteron , not sure what will happen as i will switch from pgw to HD