PCT after 1st cycle

Hi everybody! Totally new to this but did alot of reading on this site and others. Question might overlap with cycle info section.
Im planning a light cycle of 6 weeks of 200-350mg deca per week (even contemplating every 10 days. Reason is that im not really interested in gaining alot of mass, just some muscle and strength. The quick recovery between training benefit is the biggest advantage for me. From what i can gather these are very low dosages in general.

Question: After this cycle i plan to do a PCT with clomid. How long should this be and at what dosages? Also, if necessary i might do a 2 week clen cycle afterwards. Can i run clen during my PCT?

After my 8 week brake (assuming the PCT is not longer than 2 weeks) i might substitute deca with equipoise. Pls comment on this since any advice would be valuable to me

dude i would suggest u add in test or sust at 500mg a week for the length of your cycle and increase your cycle to 10-12 weeks, 6 weeks and deca will start kicking in and it will shut your natural test levels down to 0 so u need to replace your dropped test levels with injectable test... u will need to wait 2 weeks after your last shot and do 1500iu pregnyl once a week for 3 weeks with kessar at 20mg for 30days (if u dont suffer from progesterone side effects)

yes u can run clen during your pct dude...

what are your stats,how long have u been training and whats your age....

32 and been training on and off for last 5 years. Not new to gym scene. Do about 10 -12hrs training time per week. Mostly endurence and high intensity. Obviously not all of that time is in the gym. Problem is i overtrain very quickly and have probelms with tendons and ligaments that damage. So recovery between workouts is my nr 1 priority and obviously the muscle and strength is a huge bonus

So what you say is that you should take test dep with deca and clomid wont be sufficient even on the cycle i am planning?

I agree with Dj.Test is the foundation of almost any steroid cycle,Deca will cause a major shutdown,you will have erectile disfunction on deca only (not good).The deca will help immensely with your tendon and ligament problems.You say you dont want to gain alot of mass,well you will gain alot with deca.I suggest Kessar,not clomid,because clomid is rather weak compared to Kessar.Make your cycle 12 weeks to see decent gains,and throw is testE at 300mg twice a week with 300mg deca once a week.What is your diet like?

Cool! hear what you say. I will up my cycle to 10 or 12 weeks. Just ordered testoviron at 250mg/ml. My cycle would have to be 350mg of deca and 250mg of testoviron per week (otherwise measuring will be nightmare). I will use kessar as dj suggested. He talks about pregnyl. What is that?

I have muesli in mornings with fruit around 11am. Lunch depends on where i am but normal has something to do with bread. I take glutamine everyday during training with whey protein after a hard workout. Somewhere in afgternoon i normally have some yogurt and at night it normally is fish or chicken with vegetables. Pasta is also a favourite. I have green juice once a day (brightly coloured leaves, apples, cucumber, carots, spinach through juicer). Mornings i take my B complex, MSM, Vit C and at night Omega 3, green power (powdered algae) and pro biotics. Its a mouthful and a cupboard full.

Think i should replace deca with equi in next cycle? Does it have the same recovery benefits? Doing a cycle of 10-12 weeks implies only about 2 cycles a year. Am i right?

ABC01 wrote:

Cool! hear what you say. I will up my cycle to 10 or 12 weeks. Just ordered testoviron at 250mg/ml. My cycle would have to be 350mg of deca and 250mg of testoviron per week (otherwise measuring will be nightmare). I will use kessar as dj suggested. He talks about pregnyl. What is that?

I have muesli in mornings with fruit around 11am. Lunch depends on where i am but normal has something to do with bread. I take glutamine everyday during training with whey protein after a hard workout. Somewhere in afgternoon i normally have some yogurt and at night it normally is fish or chicken with vegetables. Pasta is also a favourite. I have green juice once a day (brightly coloured leaves, apples, cucumber, carots, spinach through juicer). Mornings i take my B complex, MSM, Vit C and at night Omega 3, green power (powdered algae) and pro biotics. Its a mouthful and a cupboard full.

Think i should replace deca with equi in next cycle? Does it have the same recovery benefits? Doing a cycle of 10-12 weeks implies only about 2 cycles a year. Am i right?

Do yourself a favour and forget about steroids,what you are eating is NOT food,steroids are not magic,they wont give you muscle on that diet.Im surprised you actually train for so many hours per week on that food.You need to keep your diet in check for at least 6 months before doing steroids.You are taking enough protein just to barely survive,it will NEVER EVER work on steroids.

Testosterone increases your protein metabolism by at least 50 times the normal rate,deca increases it even way more than that,so you need to eat tons of it to grow on steroids.Fix your diet first,try to get it right for the 1st year before you consider juice.

FORGET STEROIDS,I GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU WILL BE WASTING YOUR MONEY!!!!!!

Thanks for your honesty! I will do more research and adapt a eating plan for the purpose of my intended use. I am on this site to learn and i am

abc01 dude i do diets for most of the guys on the forum if u want a proper eating plan u can email me,but i do charge...,but i would double the dose of testoviron bud. EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED

I should probably add something here. As you can see with my previous posts here, muscle building is not the priority here. Of the 6 days training a week i would probably spend 2 days in the gym for strength work. My eating plan will not be suited towards bulking. I do various sports and i am attempting to use these substances to try and avoid the overtraining issues i have. I am beginning to think that my purpose i actually wont need the deca and the testoviron would be sufficient?

Thanks for offer dj. I might come a knocking if the boat starts rocking

djeasye wrote:

abc01 dude i do diets for most of the guys on the forum if u want a proper eating plan u can email me,but i do charge...,but i would double the dose of testoviron bud. EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED

sent you a mail dj, did you receive ?

I agree you don't need the Deca.

Since you don't want to really gain muscle and are looking for help with recovery you may not need the steroids. There are other expensive products that do well with aiding in muscle recovery like kynoselene. Off course, the greatest factor in recovery is diet and sleep. I think the first priority is to make sure the diet is sufficient in calories and protein to help recovery, but not providing to many calories for your requirements. Also, ensure you are getting 8 hours a night, and maybe even throw in a power nap or two in the afternoons. These are the first two things I look at when recovey is suffering.

If you opt for a cycle a low dose cycle of 200-300mg a week of long ester test will do wonders without causing to much muscle gain. Remember that some of the mass you gain will be water.
Here is a good thread to do some first time learning:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...e-ecto-advice-needed
Remember that a long ester cycle like this should be 8-12 weeks, and I would lean towards 12.

In this particular instance I might go against my usual advice and say that you might consider short oral cycles. Off course remember that oral cycles are not that great on the liver, and certainly wont help with your joints (so actually may not be the best idea) but a six weeker of Tbol or Winnie will certainly help with strength and recovery.

The low dose test only cycle may however prove to be the cheaper safer route, as long as you don't mind a little water (although this wont be to bad at low dose).

I also think it important to touch on another topic. You say you are worried about joint problems. This is commonplace when focusing on strength gains. Remember going up in weight to quickly will always cause massive prolems in the joint department. Best of luck bro.

Inja wrote:

I agree you don't need the Deca.

Since you don't want to really gain muscle and are looking for help with recovery you may not need the steroids. There are other expensive products that do well with aiding in muscle recovery like kynoselene. Off course, the greatest factor in recovery is diet and sleep. I think the first priority is to make sure the diet is sufficient in calories and protein to help recovery, but not providing to many calories for your requirements. Also, ensure you are getting 8 hours a night, and maybe even throw in a power nap or two in the afternoons. These are the first two things I look at when recovey is suffering.

If you opt for a cycle a low dose cycle of 200-300mg a week of long ester test will do wonders without causing to much muscle gain. Remember that some of the mass you gain will be water.
Here is a good thread to do some first time learning:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...e-ecto-advice-needed
Remember that a long ester cycle like this should be 8-12 weeks, and I would lean towards 12.

In this particular instance I might go against my usual advice and say that you might consider short oral cycles. Off course remember that oral cycles are not that great on the liver, and certainly wont help with your joints (so actually may not be the best idea) but a six weeker of Tbol or Winnie will certainly help with strength and recovery.

The low dose test only cycle may however prove to be the cheaper safer route, as long as you don't mind a little water (although this wont be to bad at low dose).

I also think it important to touch on another topic. You say you are worried about joint problems. This is commonplace when focusing on strength gains. Remember going up in weight to quickly will always cause massive prolems in the joint department. Best of luck bro.

Thanks! Helps alot! I have bought the deca already but would probably take it out now (would it make huge diff if ikept it in?).If i take the deca out of the picture would a PCT with kesser for 4 weeks be sufficient or should i add pregnyl?

If you add in the Deca you will certainly gain more mass and put on more water. You also suffer much more severe shutdown. I don't view Deca as a beginner drug.

I always like to add in HCG. If you use deca you will have to. With a low dose (200-300mg per week) test cycle you could get away with SERMs only for 4-6weeks. Certainly the younger you are the more chance of this there is.