PCT advice

Zen
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16 Sep 2009 10:14 #22994 by Zen

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I have been looking through the forums but cant find specific information, as everyone i talk 2 has a different opinion,

I would like to know wht the appropriate PCT i will need after taking the following course,

12 weeks:

dianabol 30mg a day front loaded for 2weeks
Noma Test 5 weeks at 600mg a week,
Equi 350mg a week 12 weeks,
Winstrol 30mg a day for 3 weeks, (at the end)

Please some advice on this would really help me out thanks,

Z

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Empire
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16 Sep 2009 10:23 #22998 by Empire

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umm well first of all u need to run that tast at that dosage for the entire cycle and then u start pct 2 weeks after your last shot with 1500iu's of pregnyl a week for 3 weeks as well as kessar at 20mg a day for 30days

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Dinamo
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16 Sep 2009 10:26 #23001 by Dinamo

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Hi Zen!
Think it is good that you posted your cycle and ask for PCT advice, but I would reconsider the whole cycle to be honest, or what is your "theory" behing the structure ? :hmm
In general, with these aas you can go onto a standrad PCT
HCG 500iU eod for 10 days (i.e. 5 injects)
tamoxifen 60mg ed first week, 40mg ed following three weeks
keep carbs and protein up NO Cutting in this phase
creatine, bcaa and short carbs directly after each workout

That's my routine, but you might hear or read a lot of different PCT's.

Regards,
Dina

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Extreme
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16 Sep 2009 13:09 #23023 by Extreme

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You should run that Test for 13 weeks.

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Mr_SA
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16 Sep 2009 13:26 #23025 by Mr_SA

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Test E and Equi might be a better option!

Give it a shot, you're only TESTing it...

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00pump
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16 Sep 2009 13:33 #23027 by 00pump

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Dinamo wrote:

Hi Zen!
Think it is good that you posted your cycle and ask for PCT advice, but I would reconsider the whole cycle to be honest, or what is your "theory" behing the structure ? :hmm
In general, with these aas you can go onto a standrad PCT
HCG 500iU eod for 10 days (i.e. 5 injects)
tamoxifen 60mg ed first week, 40mg ed following three weeks
keep carbs and protein up NO Cutting in this phase
creatine, bcaa and short carbs directly after each workout

That's my routine, but you might hear or read a lot of different PCT's.

Regards,
Dina

Hrm, no offence but 60mg Tamoxifen is way over the top, tests have shown no benefit from 20mg to 80mg... except the high toxicity levels you will experience...

Tamoxifen 20mg for 30 days is suffiecient for the most harshest cycles... I highly stress that is completely unnecessary and dangerous... you could cause some serious damage to your eyes and your liver on that dose..

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Zen
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18 Sep 2009 10:25 #23203 by Zen

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Tx For all your advice,

I am gona bump up the test for 12 weeks now,

But one thing i have been reading is introducing kessar from the start am i correct?

Its been one week already and i have gained a 1cm basically everywhere i am happy thus far but the kessar situation is weighing heavy on my mind -_- any suggestions?,

Thanks again,

Z

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00pump
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18 Sep 2009 11:17 #23219 by 00pump

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Kessar is very hectic on your liver... I would rather use an AI and use kessar PCT....

Unless you like 'BLOAT' then you can use the kessar during the cycle and hope you still don't get any gyno...

If you want to pack on quality mass that you will keep most gains then use an AI ...

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Mr Moose
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18 Sep 2009 11:21 #23224 by Mr Moose

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Yo zen with regards to that kessar ur obviously planning to run it as an estrogen Blocker. On your cycle you will need one:
From my personal experience and people I have dealt with letro is a better option at .25mg per day. Works like a bomb and will help with the water retention "sides" you may experience. LP one is also very reasonable and easy to use. Minimal to no sides on that dose for me and almost everyone else who has used it.
Hope it helps+
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Zen
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18 Sep 2009 11:34 #23227 by Zen

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Sweet where can i find letro does it go by any other name?

And wht is AI?

Sorry for the noob questions,

Tx,

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00pump
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18 Sep 2009 11:53 #23231 by 00pump

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LP Letro... thats the name it goes under..

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North_Boy1
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18 Sep 2009 12:04 #23239 by North_Boy1

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00pump wrote:

LP Letro... thats the name it goes under..

Pump, now we are back to an unanswered problem. We cannot refer him to the Liquid Pharmaceutical website on top of this page because when clicking on it you are directed to the BRAND REMOVED website?????

If everybody does it, is it still cheating?

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00pump
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18 Sep 2009 12:11 #23242 by 00pump

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LP does not sell to the public anymore....

Speak to your supplier and see if he / she can source it..

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00pump
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18 Sep 2009 12:12 #23243 by 00pump

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Maybe Admin knows whats up with their site, etc seeing he advertised their site on here.... i'm not sure... just a guess.

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18 Sep 2009 12:20 #23247 by 00pump

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Here is a cached page if that helps

209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:kvSFGcMD1e...harmaceuticals+BRAND REMOVED+liquid+pharma&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=za&client=firefox-a

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Zen
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18 Sep 2009 12:34 #23253 by Zen

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Is that .25mg or letro or 2.5mg?

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admin
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18 Sep 2009 13:43 #23260 by admin

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00pump wrote:

Maybe Admin knows whats up with their site, etc seeing he advertised their site on here.... i'm not sure... just a guess.

Only a security precaution and nothing to worry about.

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18 Sep 2009 13:49 #23263 by 00pump

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Its 2.5mg of letro per mill in the 30mill bottles or 5mg of letro per mill in the 15mill bottles.

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Zen
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19 Sep 2009 17:14 #23315 by Zen

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How long does it take approximatley for dianabol and the test to aromatize? I am asking as i want to know how long i have got to get my hands on some letro or kessar i have been on for a week so far?

once again thank you for all your feedback it is much appreciated!

Zen

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Inja
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19 Sep 2009 17:35 #23316 by Inja

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I will be posting this all up on the FAQ thread within the next week or two, but to give a brief explaination the aromatase enzyme resides in the membranes of your cells, but sticks out on the inside of the cells. In order for the steroids one takes to work they must first pass through the cell membrane, which they rapidly associate with given their solubility in oil (cell membranes) and lack thereof in water (blood). Once they have made this passage a fraction encounters the aromatase enzyme upon entering the cell and is instantly converted. Thus, the moment steroids are released in the blood they are already passing through membranes and being converted to estrogen... They cannot have their effect on muscle building genes until they have first passed by the aromatase enzyme.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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Zen
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30 Sep 2009 13:19 #24255 by Zen

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Hi Guys,

Not sure if should post this here or main section, but i guess an admin will move it if need be,

The results from the course i am on are pretty sweet at the moment,

I am in my third week now, d-bol just finished and the noma test and bold are starting to work nicely, I have picked up 3kilos so far and have had minimal water retention, Strength is awesome and getting better,

The Shots themselves are fantastic the noma test and bold in one go works like a charm u dont feel it at all,

Last thing i wanted to ask was what would you recommend as a cutting agent at the end? i was thinkning winstrol from about week 7 - 10?

Also i have a sersious pre disposition to anxiety so thermagenics dont go down to well?

Regards,

Zen

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00pump
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30 Sep 2009 13:32 #24256 by 00pump

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Zen: hmmm, the Bold should do the trick... the Winstrol is fine but you don't even need to run it 3 weeks, rather just run it up till the day your PCT starts... just make sure the bold you taking is done for 14 weeks, as every week after week 12 is when I start seeing amazing results.... I really try stretch that cycle...

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Zen
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30 Sep 2009 13:41 #24257 by Zen

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Zen Do u use the PGW one? and at what dose?

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00pump
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30 Sep 2009 14:40 #24265 by 00pump

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hmm, ive been juicing for years.. so what I do isn't allways best for everyone else.. I use 600mg a week of EQ... and using PGW and LP only these days.... stopped my imports of Apex due to what PGW ofers..

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