Gyno prevention (post-surgery)

(I posted this a bit earlier but it didn't go through so please forgive me if it ends up double-posting)

Evening gents, first time here so hope you'll be able to help me out with some advice.

Firstly, here's the history of my problem (Gyno)
I screwed around with test/deca/sust in my college years (about 8 years ago), being the dumb-sht that I was, I never even knew what PCT meant, nevertheless why it's so important. As you can imagine this eventually ended up in some pretty severe gyno. After saving for a few years I went for lipo last year (November) - also checked my liver function, went for testicular scans etc. and my GP seems to think everything is back in order, however since the lipo last year, the problem has come back to the point where I had to go back for surgery again yesterday, this time around the doc stripped me down good doing glands and lipo.
My question is: I'm extremely worried that this will become a problem again in the near future, even though I haven't used gear in years, will using about 10/20mg Nolvadex daily prevent this?
And to tie in with that, how soon after surgery do you recon I can start taking the Nolva? (liquid pharma 20mg capsules)

Thanks in advance,

Howzit bru....? Hope u make a quick recovery and that good health preceded your event. What has your doctor advised you to do??? Surely he has advised you on your condition....???

Hey bud, he hasn't advised anything apart from the usual "maintain a healthy lifestyle"
Due to my liver function/scans/test levels all being normal they have no idea what's causing it, which is why I'm hoping the Nolva will prevent any est from binding to the breast area.

Hi gynocomastia.certain individuals are more prone,possibly genetically.I would really consider my future in regards too anabolis steroids.I personnally take arimedex,but prior too arimedex i never experienced any side affects,but unfortunately you have.People also that have never used steroids also get gyno,usually as a result of obesity.best of luck.Im sure there's other opinion's forth coming.

Hey Bro;I had some possible gyno,I also had abdominal Liposuction,it worked well.I wasent training for a long period of time,as a result of low back sergury l5-s1 x2 I ballooned up to a Fat 310Lb's,I lost a quick 40 when i got back to the gym,but one day as a result of my getting-ouy of shape,i got some quarter sized lump in my left chest.The surgeon injected some cortisone into the build-up(gyno) and as cortisone is catabolic,it eat the gyno and it went away/As the sergury is Mucho$$$ all the best john

Thanks for the info John, I've already had the surgery so at this point it's just a question of future-prevention.
Hence my question of whether a steady diet of low dosage Nolva should prevent it and how soon after surgery I can start taking it? Perhaps cycling it 2months on, 1 off?

l1qu1d wrote: Thanks for the info John, I've already had the surgery so at this point it's just a question of future-prevention.
Hence my question of whether a steady diet of low dosage Nolva should prevent it and how soon after surgery I can start taking it? Perhaps cycling it 2months on, 1 off?

I would not advice Nolvadex for a prolonged period as it will mess up your lipid profile and be hepatoxic to the liver. How high is your bodyfat and are you on cycle?

Mmm, what about a 60 day course of LP Aromasin 20mg EOD ?

It will keep estrogen lowered after you stop taking it and I can imagine it having less sides than nolva?

Thats what im thinking..So take that with a pinch of salt.

l1qu1d wrote: Hey bud, he hasn't advised anything apart from the usual "maintain a healthy lifestyle"
Due to my liver function/scans/test levels all being normal they have no idea what's causing it, which is why I'm hoping the Nolva will prevent any est from binding to the breast area.

Howzit Bru, if I am wrong then apologies in advance, but I can say for a fact that you are withholding information. "maintaining a healthy lifestyl" is not what a specialist would of have advised you. If you are on this forum trying to self medicate a medical condition after you have been managed and treated by a specialist is very suspect.

Regards

Koe007 wrote:

l1qu1d wrote: Thanks for the info John, I've already had the surgery so at this point it's just a question of future-prevention.
Hence my question of whether a steady diet of low dosage Nolva should prevent it and how soon after surgery I can start taking it? Perhaps cycling it 2months on, 1 off?

I would not advice Nolvadex for a prolonged period as it will mess up your lipid profile and be hepatoxic to the liver. How high is your bodyfat and are you on cycle?

Thanks Keo007, I'm not on any cycle(s) - Surely the hepatotoxicity of Nolva in low dosages is negligible at best, it would only become a problem in the high dosages used for several years by breast cancer patients?
My body fat is 11% last I checked.

gorilla wrote: Mmm, what about a 60 day course of LP Aromasin 20mg EOD ?
It will keep estrogen lowered after you stop taking it and I can imagine it having less sides than nolva?
Thats what im thinking..So take that with a pinch of salt.

Thanks Gorilla, I'm not to keen on taking an AI as I'm not on any cycle, only worried about it returning - even though my doctor advises me the chances are very slim due to the glandular tissue being removed this time around.

ontong wrote: Howzit Bru, if I am wrong then apologies in advance, but I can say for a fact that you are withholding information. "maintaining a healthy lifestyl" is not what a specialist would of have advised you. If you are on this forum trying to self medicate a medical condition after you have been managed and treated by a specialist is very suspect.
Regards

Thanks for your concern Ontong, I can assure you I'm not withholding any information. As I mentioned I've had this condition in the past, it returned about 1 year later (progressively) - I've had all my bloodwork done (liver function, test etc) and the doctor is convinced they are all normal. My only concern is for it returning again, which is why I'm looking at using something like Nolva on/off every few months as a preventative measure.

Using nolva long term is a bad idea. It increases the triglycerides in your blood while you're on it which is not a major concern for short periods of time like PCT, but you are talking months, and that's not worth the risks.

Thanks for the info, how long would you recommend using it for? A few weeks at a time with month long breaks in between?

l1qu1d wrote: Thanks for the info, how long would you recommend using it for? A few weeks at a time with month long breaks in between?

My concern would more be your lipid profile than liver toxicity. Your b/f does not seem to high however your gyno would be less noticeable in the 9% area. It sounds like 00Pump you are very Gyno prone, I would avoid Long Esters when you do cycle and keep your compounds more Anabolic.
As far as a long term solution there is no safe option as far as AI's or Anti-Estrogen medications are concerned, they all come with a list of their own sides. Remember Gyno is usually more noticeable to us who are bodybuilder's than others. You have had it removed, try bring the b/f a little lower then play it from there. I would not advise a long term use of an AI or Anti-E.

Thanks, appreciate all the advice - on the top of my list is a proper diet for the next few months before summer to get the BF down. I'm hoping this second round of surgery will have removed enough gland to not bring it back, but will keep some nolva in the cupboard just in case.

Cheers guys