hGH

Ok, so I'm using 4iu per day. I'm on a precontest cycle, so no insulin. My current stack is Test Enanthate, Equipoise, T3 (20mcg/day), and HGH. Clen is going to be added in 2 weeks, and 5 weeks out, I switch to Test Prop and add Winstrol, Tren, and Anavar.

I start my day off with a whey protein shake. So, I'm guessing that I should take 2iu of HGH upon waking, before the shake. Then I should take another 2iu at about 3 to 4pm. I train at about 6pm. Does this make sense? Do I inject into the muscle group I am going to be training later that evening?

Thanks for all this info, Doctari. It really is much appreciated.

Vin, when you're on a pre-contest cycle, it does not mean you cannot use insulin. Mostly the insulin is used during the first 4 weeks of your 12 week cycle, and if you really loose a lot of lean BW towards the end, insulin can be replaced in the last3-4 weeks pre-contest, usually then only as a post-workout dose.. It definitely should make up part of your armentarium the last 3 days.

Your compounds seem to be good, average choices. HGH in the morning with whey only is a good choice. Alternatively, you can use a early morning shake consisting of 50gr PURE whey + 10gr L-arginine+10gr glutamine peptide+1/4 teaspoon cinnamon powder on upon wakening(even before you take a leak!). Then, at about 8am, use your first 2IU's HGH site specific for the muscle groups you trained the previous day. Do the same with your afternoon dose. Repeat the same shake straight after workout, but add in your carbs(ie Vitargo). Then, about 15 min before you retire to bed, take 5gr GABA dissolved into 250ml water or juice.

Good luck - I'm 100% positive you will have excellent results!

Thanks Doc, I'm gonna start using that HGH protocol this week. Regarding insulin - I have never used it before, and I certainly will not use it until I am sure that I know all that I can about it (I do the same with any substance or compound I plan on using). I am reading up on whatever I can get my hands on, and I plan on using insulin on my next bulking course.

Go read up on Apidra - that's my personal choice product.
If you want info about the use of insulin, let's start a post, ask the questions you want answered and let's see if we can provide them.

I agree with doctari ,, Apidra is the way to go,, very fast in and out easy to control. But you need to do PLENTY reading on insulin b4 you use it.

i just want to know if HGH is supposed to make you horny.i brought in 200 boxes for friends and now they have let me down so i am sitting with all this hgh figured i might as well start using it up.im takeing 2ius per day and this stuff is potent.takes fat off like a razor blade and i am never tired.also the wifes a bit cranky.can she take it too?

200 boxes??:woohoo:

what brand is it chim?

I have never heard of HGH making you horny,,

200 boxes -- you have lots of friends -- nice advert

doc,
just going threw your posts of gh/slin timing.
so if i understand you correct your slin is injected first thing in the morning(with glucose) and your gh
about 1 hour later(with whey etc).And again you insulin after your workout(5pm)and gh about 1 hour later??

com guys,help me out here! is'ent this what the board is here for? i know timing between gh/slin
is crucial.i've heard some guys taking both at
once,some the gh before their slin and some of them do it the other way around???

Hi Vloz ,, sorry only saw this post now ,,, yes the Timing is critical ,, if you inject your gh before your slin you increase your chance of going hypo...

I only use slin once a day,,, either pre or post workout ,,, because you have to eat REALLY clean while the slin is active in your system ,,, which insulin are you using?

hi bat what body type are u mesmo endo or ectomorph?

jo1 wrote:

hi bat what body type are u mesmo endo or ectomorph?

Well I recon I am a Meso/Endo -- but really that all goes out the window when using slin and juice as you are changing your body chemistry

o, batman, someone told me that if ur a person that gets fat fast (endomorph) then slin will juzmake u fat?
and is there any benefit of using slin alone??

thankx alot!!

Slin only makes you fat if you eat wrong..

If you don't get your eating spot on with slin,, it will make you fat.. Thats why I prefer to only hit fast acting only once a day,, and make sure my eating is really clean at least an 1 1/2hr each way

you could use slin alone ,, if you wanna be big and fat

Just wanted to hear what type of results you guys typically get from GH in the first 2 weeks…

A lot of people say it’s a long term thing. Do you all believe this? Ive seen some dramtic results in the first few days of GH use in some people. Some guys tend to respond (Like with most things) differently. Ive herd people say they don’t gain much from it. A guy that’s training at my gym has just exploded in the last 2 weeks. I asked what was up and he said he’s just implemented 4 IU of Kefei per day into his cycle. He’s dieting and gained 4Kgs in 10 Days.

Anyone else seen results like this?

Its got me thinking. There is obviously a lot of low dosed GH on the market so guys think they are using X amount per day when its actually bunk and they using half that or this guys responds well.

Any thoughts Doc , Mx , BATMAN

Well I've used most GH brands on the market in SA including norditropin from the pharmacy ,,, and the only results I've seen in the first few days is fat loss, better sleep,,, and a bit of lethargy

Is he using 'slin as well?

Guys, I'm extremely busy - my partnrer is "bundu-bashing" in Angola for three weeks, so I'm kakking off a bit. Not on the Board every day....

OK, Batty is right about the higher insidence of hypo when the two are combined. Using your HGH before the insulin, is counter productive. The insulin de-activates the IGF-1 response caused by HGH. Let me explain in layman's terms. HGH gets metabolised in the liver within 20 min of administration - the liver produces IGF-1, which circulates to the gut and attaches to the gut wall. It then acts as a "porthole" for large amounts of nutrients to "gush" through to the blood stream, where insulin catches it. Insulin then acts as the "transporter truck" carrying the nutrients to the cells. Unfortuanetely, as certain levels of circulating insulin is reached, it then deactivates the IGF-1 to close the "porthole". So, IGF is then negated. This happens to protect the body against taking up too much nutrients and becoming hyperglycaemic.

This is what our bodies want to happen - it's called homeostases, meaning balance. But, we don't want that. That's why we cheat the body a bit. By using the insulin first and then the HGH later, you kinda reach the opposite situation.

That's why insulin is used first thing in the mornings, HGH no earlier than one hour later, the HGH then used spaced throughout the day, but no closer than 1 hour before any further insulin shots, like pre-, during and post workout. It's stupid to use HGH just before bed, as you are already going to produce some natural HGH within the first hour of REM sleep. But, also consider to take a shot of HGH at the early morning "piss and shake" time , like when you are up to take a leak 02h00 and down a shake - consider taking HGH 2IU's along with it.

If I were to use 8IU's of HGH and insulin, my regime would look something like this:"
06-07h00 - insulin
08-09h00 HGH 2IU
12-13h00 HGH 2 IU
16-17h00 HGH 2iu with my pre-workout shake - leaving 1 hour gap before pre-workout insulin
pre-workout 18h 2IU insulin
during workout 2IU insulin with enough carbs and amino acids
post workout insulin
before bed 5gr GABA on empty stomach
somewhere "piss and shake" time 2IU hgh

This is how I'm planning to use it later this year for my bulking cycle.
The HGH is used 3 days on, 4 days off.
Ja, i KNOW, i KNOW - YOU ARE GOING TO ASK ABOUT THIS...this is my bulking cycle. Pre-contest, HGH is used daily.....

Nice Post Doc ,,, That is an excellent protocol ,,, -- those damn syringes start getting expensive when you're 7 shots a day plus a couple more for anabolics ..

I take it your breakfast is real clean then ... no fat.

I'm not a gaba fan ,,,, it is good stuff ,,, It just makes my skin crawl.. literally feels weird ,,, tried it about 8 or 9 years ago when AST first brought it in.

Batman hes using test and stanazol with it.

Doc bro , most guys cant carry GH around with them to take a 2IU shot at lunch time

I know of two Pro's ( this is factual and not herd from a person who told a guy who then let me know , it came straight out of their mouths) who take all there GH in a single shot before bed. Tom prince also openly stated this. They say your body metabolises it more natrually as that is your natural GH release period.Any thoughts? I know there are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

Hi Doc.
i hope you can give me some advice.
I train in the am at about 5:30. My next bulking cycle I will be using 4iu/d GH split in 2. And 4iu slin working up to 10iu 2xpd.

I need to know what is the best time to take it?
Was going to use 2iu GH when I woke at about 5:00 and the slin post work out at about 7:00.

But you say that gh should not be used before the slin.

Sorry I think I wasn't that clear ,,, by before ,, I mean not right before,, a two hour gap is more than enough,,,

Why would Doc use The GH 3 days on 4 days off during a bulking cycle?
Would you add T3 to that cycle?

And do you stop using slin after 21 days?

Rippedbig wrote:

Why would Doc use The GH 3 days on 4 days off during a bulking cycle?
Would you add T3 to that cycle?

And do you stop using slin after 21 days?

Probably because 8iu a day ED would bankrupt most of us if we used it for long enough