obesity more acceptable than muscularity?

hey guys,

would like to see your view points on this topic,

do you think it is more acceptable socially to be obese than it is to be muscular?

i see some people put up pictures online of bodybuilders at competition ready state only to see comments of "thats so gross. He is Hideous,why would any one want to look like that" yet when u get people putting up pictures of morbidly obese people they seem to shy away from comment about that?

i have been to both extremes,1st being vastly over weight then 2 being pretty muscular(not massive) and when u are over weight u get ridiculed for it,and then when u are muscular you get stereotyped, so what is the happy medium? is everyone happy with vastly unhealthy individuals and see this as the norm?

also why is it that everyone says "i dont wanna get too big" when using steroids,is it cos u are scared someone might notice that you have put in effort to diet hard for 12 weeks,lifted your ass up off the couch 1-2x a day to go to the gym to train and do cardio, or are u scared some people might see steroid use as socially unacceptable to enhance your healthy lifestyle? i do not see why people using steroids are slated when it is for personal use to look better for themselves and doesnt harm anyone in the process..yet someone eating 15 mac donalds meals a weak wont be slated in the media about being an unhealthy individual and society should ridicule that...

what is your views on this?

I think its because obesity is such a touchy subject. Obese ppl see any negative comment towards them as discrimination and are quick to jump on the "I'm being victimized" band wagon. So it has become sort of politically incorrect to make certain statements aimed at them. I also believe society has become more tolerating and accepting to being obese. It is becoming the norm.

If we had to turn back the clock a few thousand years an obese male would almost find no potential female to mate with. Fit, muscular, healthy males are preferred as they are seen as the best candidates to take care of a a family and his young. Its stil very common practise in nature today. For some reason today however women seem to prefer the more "average overweight" male as the muscular individual is seen to be less faithfull etc.

Sadly ppl do stereo type and I have met many women who blatantly aren't atrracted to big muscluar men at all. Or so they claim.

I would rather be shunned as a fit, muscular individual than to be accepted as an obese health ticking time bomb.

Jeepers, this is so simmilar to what I have been exeriencing... I just cant believe the reasoning of people ey, look at things that are acceptable (relative to steroids) cosmetic surgery, obesity, drinking coupious amounts of alchol, patying until you re dead...

but as soon as it comes to needle talk... judgement is delivered immediately...

Another thing is.... it is somehow justified if you are big and muscular and play rugby, but if you just go to gym for yourself and to look good, youre considered a freak!??

not even to talk about the girls, 80% think its gross...
but I tell you the other 20% cant go without it...

but it does seem thst it is becomming more and more acceptable these days...

Obesity is is accepted being well built and defined is frowned upon.When i was fat(wore a 46-48 jean) almost nobody ever said anything.But now that i am ripped and looking good people are asking me why do you want to look like that it is unnatural and unappealing.Obesity is a touchy subject that people tend to avoid.You rarely hear someone say fatty or chubby but just let a guy that gyms walk by and listen to the comments its ridiculous.Things will hopefully change over time.

Obesity's only acceptable because everyone knows of at least one person who's obese and are too much of a pussy to call them out on their disgusting, gluttoness ways. Bodybuilders only coz the media has the public thinking they walk around with baby dicks, if juice could add 2" to your dick there wouldn't be a single person you'd know who wasn't on it.

I LOVE this video!!! Nutritionist walks around grocery store humiliating fat parents who buy kak food for their kids, and fat on-lookers defending fat parents. I am so mad right now.

Okay here's what I think on the subject .People always have to justify by what they see and when it comes to fat people because they are so common we simply don't bother to comment or talk about them But when you see a huge massive monster walking down the street someone like "Guy Shaffer" you will get people that say oh thats disgusting mostly coming from women ,the reason for this comment is that they simply arent used to seeing a man that muscular .When men see a bodybuilder they are jelous most of the time and try to justify their jealousy by making a comment such as it's juice, thats not natural nevermind the diet and hours of hard work sacrificing for bodybuilding (Money,relationships,lifestyle,diet ect)

i have been obese, people are always too scared to say something to your face and ridicule u behind your back,yet no one ever supports u in the change as they are most of the time jealous... at school i was probably the fattest kid in my year,well u must see how many okes that used to ridicule me at school look like balloons its funny

You guys will be amazed how often I get emails with these words: "i dont wanna get too big" Like it's that easy... lol

A couple of years ago I dated a chick for 2 weeks and she just couldn't get why I trained to be muscular. She thought that being skinny was the ideal look.

i wish it was admin i really do...

for me its all about your lifestyle. if you wanna be fat be fat, if you wanna be muscular be that, if you wanna be joe average then fine by me. Humans are opinionative beings, we all have our own opinion and we all do a bloody good job of convincing ourselves that our opinions are correct even if we have no facts to prove them.

have your opinion, but if it involves discrediting what i do, whether it be looking like a porky or looking like a muscle monster, rather keep it to yourself.

having said that lets get back to DJ's questions.
Is obesity accepted over muscularity? Its a matter of opinion and who you speak to. i also agree with most members that the population of the world is getting fatter by the day, and from this i draw the conclusion that it is yes.

what is the happy medium? its a matter of opinion again, but i can tell you most fat people actually dont want to be fat...they either have a issue (mentally or physically) or they are too damn lazy to get in shape, its a motivation issue i think, and if you dont have the guts to change (like DJ and plenty others) you wont succeed.

last question, do you think using gear is socially unacceptable, I think many first time users do, and this is because of the stigma roids have, laws against its use does not make it any easier, for me you have to find the right reason for doing it, if you feel your reason is solid enough and you do it the right way by making sure you use and dont abuse then its another story. people usually have a bad opinion on the use of gear because they have been fed story upon story on how bad it is and dont know the facts, other people make up their minds for them.

You hit the nail on the head DJ, I too used to be fat and people teased me behind my back, now all the effort in the world to look the way we do and people think we are steroid freaks.

I don't think people can justify why we would go through all of that (Gym, Diet, money etc) to look the absolute best we can. They can relate to people who want to laze around and do nothing. I think once people get a taste for what we do, it's hard to look back but if they can't relate to it they don't understand it and critisize it. There is also the jealousy factor, lets be honest who is jealous of an obese person? I know I'm not. It is a touchy subject if someone is overweight and most of the time they comfort eaters and it could be due to some traumatic event that happened in their life and that is the only way that they know how to deal with problems. So to critisize or confront someone that is obese is a difficult situation, they know they fat but they don't want to put in the effort or time to change it cos it too big of a task...

Good find Deadgoat, that video just shows how insecure most people are about themselves...

Look at all the fatties comming to the rescue...

The guy asking the question: "would you have intervened if she was smaking her child?" is actually a very valid question, as I believe all that food might be more damaging that a smack could ever be...

and since when is it wrong to stand up for something that is right?

looking the other way is just as bad as commiting the crime...

Just the other day, I was thinkinking....

Is it still right of us to ask God to bless the food we eat? when sitting around the dinner table, where 80% of the people are overweight, and eating fat lambchops with bread, pasta and drinking coke???? while we possess all the means to live healthy and be in top shape...

Thunderbeast wrote: Just the other day, I was thinkinking....

Is it still right of us to ask God to bless the food we eat? when sitting around the dinner table, where 80% of the people are overweight, and eating fat lambchops with bread, pasta and drinking coke???? while we possess all the means to live healthy and be in top shape...

i see where you going with this beast but i dont think healthy people eating lamb chops every now and then should be too worried. you should thank God for giving you the ability to feast with your family and living a good life yes. but perhaps you are right, perhaps some people are not grateful for what they have and take it for granted (food).

Thunderbeast wrote: Good find Deadgoat, that video just shows how insecure most people are about themselves...

Look at all the fatties comming to the rescue...

The guy asking the question: "would you have intervened if she was smaking her child?" is actually a very valid question, as I believe all that food might be more damaging that a smack could ever be...

and since when is it wrong to stand up for something that is right?

looking the other way is just as bad as commiting the crime...

Only reason those bitches were aiding that fat abuser was because she was female, I guarantee you if she was male those bitches would be lol and saying "well he has a point, you really are destroying your child's body"

I wish we could ship all fat people to Somalia for a day so they can see what a real "eating disorder" is. This shit is ridiculous, fat parents are slowly killing their kids by suffocating their arteries with cholesterol and are free to do so without a public outcry yet smacking your kid is taboo?

Political correctness gone mad

Etwa wrote:

Thunderbeast wrote: Just the other day, I was thinkinking....

Is it still right of us to ask God to bless the food we eat? when sitting around the dinner table, where 80% of the people are overweight, and eating fat lambchops with bread, pasta and drinking coke???? while we possess all the means to live healthy and be in top shape...

i see where you going with this beast but i dont think healthy people eating lamb chops every now and then should be too worried. you should thank God for giving you the ability to feast with your family and living a good life yes. but perhaps you are right, perhaps some people are not grateful for what they have and take it for granted (food).

was just using the chops as an example...

but what I was trying to say is, that doing nothing about you situation (while possessing all the means to change) is just as wrong as doing something wrong deliberately...

(did that come out right???)

I think people have a completely wrong perception about what a healthy person should look like...

most people (women in particular) would think that a person is in shape, when you can see their abs... but come on that can still mean that you are just a annorexic...

alot of people think heavy = fat = unhealthy and that light = slim = healthy...
and that could not have been any further from the truth...

In skinny peoples defense, Im not talking anorexic just skinny, they do tend to have less health/breathing problems than your average joe overweight person, skinny people do also get bashed more about how they look than the fatties, im not saying that its an excuse for skinny people to not get into the gym, and eat right, and force that food down. I made that choice and i dont regret it.

And skinny people will be able to run away from the zombies when the zombie apocalypse happens :silly:

I personally really likr the huge muscular look , and all the people out there that says that is so gross and whatever don;t understand the amount of work and effort and hard work that goes into that , it is much easier to pull up at a mcdonalds drive thru and wolf down a super sizwd meal , and i dont know why they always wanna preach and say how bad gear is , but it isok to get pissed every second night , and eat take aways from morning to night , i personally enjoy the challenge of dieting and training harder and harder every week to get to my goals , and that is getting big

I went to see a dermatologist the other day , to get someting for my skin , and he immediatelly gave me a prescription for raccutane , but did he go on , on how bad gear is and i shouldn't use it and whatever , whilst he was sittin behind his desk and was breathing so heavilly because he was over weight . I really dont get it .

i hate it when people say how repulsive super muscular guys are... That is my goal. And why would anyone not want to look and be powerful? In centuries past the average man was much fitter and more muscular, due to manual work and warrior lifestyles... These men were the epitomy of what it was to be attractive. Nowadays money is more attractive than a healthy, powerful body. My lady is the same, she likes my six pack but she always moans when i go on cycle and want to add size... Tho when we're at the beach together she certainly loves hanging on my arm and seeing the glances i get.

Id rather be big and muscular and have every second person stare at me or give me shit, than be fat and ignored

I fully agree with you spike !!!

offtopic!
man spike, everytime i see that avatar it makes me wanna go do some deadlifts! impressive bud!

Obesity is more socially acceptable, why? Cause now when u go into a clothing store they have specific section for "big" ppl. So they are catering for them which in return aren't motivating them to do anything about. And the clothing sizes for these "big" are just getting bigger too, till the point that they need bigger hangers to hang them on. Plus all the fast food outlets that spring up around every corner doesn't help either.

On the muscular side its also true that mojority of woman don't like big muscular men, they more into the mens health looking guys then the big BB look. I also have found alot of woman actually like the whole "skinny ripped look" like that twilight twats.

But im in the same boat as u spike - my misses also doesn't want me to get to big but i quess her being very petite i can't blame her

What makes me laugh are women that say u getting too big, why u wanna get that big it isnt nice.
Yet when they watch the WWE they cant take their eyes off the likes of John Cena and Batista. :huh:

darkmonk wrote: What makes me laugh are women that say u getting too big, why u wanna get that big it isnt nice.
Yet when they watch the WWE they cant take their eyes off the likes of John Cena and Batista. :huh:

LMAO :lol: It is true, bout the ladies checking them out. At least my mrs. all good for me to get bigger, she loves it