First cycle

:ohmy: Hi guys

I don`t really post but rather read the articles to learn as much as possibel, what a great site!

I am a little confused about my first cycel(Yes Ihave read the sample cycle section) as well as numerous other "beginners cycles"and baically they are all the same. A basic cycle with testosterone (enanthant or cpy) ranging from 250-600mg weekly with an optional dbol kickstart.

All the sites either recommend this or a more advanced cycle with higher dosages, they justify it with the motivation that your first cycle is your best and the results will probably never be as good again as your first so make it count. So now there are two options - the 500mg testcyp cycle frontloaded with dbol as well as something like 600mg testen weekly with 400mg deca also frontloaded with dbol. So people are basically divided into two groeps; those who are for it and those who are against it. Both groups have valid arguments. I think the main reason for people recommending simpler cycles for beginners is because they don`t have the knowledge to successfully pull of such a cycle or because they probably don`t have access to the more “exotic” steroids yet.

Okay so those are the two options, I do have access to real steriods and the money for the cycle as well as pct, my diet is correct.

My stats are:
Higth: 1.83M
Weight: 96kg
Bodyfat: 11%
Age: 19 (yes I know one should actually wait untill 21 but I would like to compete by then (under21 Division)

Your opinion on this would be appriciated, thanks for taking time to read my post

Regards

Bud i honestly don't think deca is a good idea for a first cycle , but that is my opinion , just hang on i am sure more of the experienced okes will give their input

SLEON wrote: Bud i honestly don't think deca is a good idea for a first cycle , but that is my opinion , just hang on i am sure more of the experienced okes will give their input

I don't feel Deca is a good idea for a first cycle. Especially not someone so young either. My honest opinion would be a test only cycle of 500mg/week.

Your statement where u say u have access to "real" steroids also makes me a little worried...

I didn't see your age , but yeah MCJ is right , i also think you are too young for deca , and especially if it is your first cycle , i would also stick to 500mg test per week , and frontload with dbol , i don't see a need to complicate things so early , you will grow nicely with the test and dbol if all other aspects are in place

When I said ''real'' I only meant that I know its the actual product not some counterfit remake... Thats for the advice guys, I'll definatly keep it in mind. Deca is a no-no. So I think ill just stick to the 500mg testcyp frontloaded with dbol for the first one. What do you guys think about equipoise at my age? (not for first cycle)

Stick to the test and dbol for your first

I'm going to bud Lol, just shows always ask for a second opinion. The deca sust idea actually came from a bodybuilder in my gym. He know my age and still thats what he told me. And it isnt some unknown guy, he won two under 21 titles. Just shows how people have different believes, but yeah no worries staying clear of deca for now. Testcyp frontloaded with dbol

U can take whatever u like and whatever anyone recommends. That's because a lot of these guys in the gym etc don't really give a rats ass about ur health and fertility. I have learnt to take whatever these guys say with a huge pinch of salt. Yeah some of us here are on or have been on some serious cycles before, but one eases into these things.

Not long ago 00pump lambasted me and called me a steroid "abuser" due to the combination of compounds and duration during a cycle. Took a bit offence but he was 100% correct. Few weeks later I started having kidney probs and it seems it is something that will always be rearing its ugly head in future cycles.

Point I'm trying to make is...: take the advice to heart from the guys who show interest in ur short and long term health. We aren't after glory or anything. What we want is to help and advise others like we would like to be advised in return.

There are guys on here who wil give u the best advice in the business, sport, lifestyle.
They know who they are!

Thanks, I see your point:) And you are right - ones health must come first. I appreciate it. Do you compete or are you a recreational user? Sorry to hear about your kidneys bud

Recreational. But I take it very seriously.

i believe that the reason why most beginner cycles are only test is also because you dont know how your body will react in terms of gyno and perhaps other side effects, say now your very prone to gyno and go shooting 500mg test cyp + 450mg deca (just an example), you could be in for some serious trouble and before u know it have some serious moobs... At least with test only it will be slightly more manageable if you run into problems....