Here is a nice contraversial Debate

I pay around 3200, however that still allot

And now putting my misses on will push it to around 4100

Add some kids :laugh:

I guess some ppl have you to thank for their bodies then guys!

Etwa wrote: I guess some ppl have you to thank for their bodies then guys!

Yes Etwa... and thats the reason your grandmother cant afford medical aid.

I know what you guys meant, and lets keep gandma out of this. she is old enough to kick your ass with or without medical aid.

I pay my GH outa my own pocket for the same reasons.

okay hold on. . .i am paying R7300. . .PER MONTH!!! on medical aid. . .i have both myself and my wife and my little one AND my mom on medical. the only time it has come into use was during my wife's pregnancy. I AM PAYING FOR IT. . . TRUST ME!!!! so dont come with unethical this and unethical that!!! all im saying is it helps to do it this way so i am not forking out 7 and a half k a month on medical and then still have to try and pay for my GH as well. its amazing how you guys can preach the gospel.:huh: WE ARE ON A F%$#ing STEROID FORUM!!!! come on!!!!okay well think what you want im over it .

Trensetta wrote: okay hold on. . .i am paying R7300. . .PER MONTH!!! on medical aid. . .i have both myself and my wife and my little one AND my mom on medical. the only time it has come into use was during my wife's pregnancy. I AM PAYING FOR IT. . . TRUST ME!!!! so dont come with unethical this and unethical that!!! all im saying is it helps to do it this way so i am not forking out 7 and a half k a month on medical and then still have to try and pay for my GH as well. its amazing how you guys can preach the gospel.:huh: WE ARE ON A F%$#ing STEROID FORUM!!!! come on!!!!okay well think what you want im over it .

Sensitive! Don't let my personal view bug you, I'm merely expressing my point as I see it.

If I have a pharmacist friend that can give me supplements on medical aid while claiming for something else, will you be happy with that? I don't think so.

If you never use it then why do you have it? Why not just save the R87600 a year and self finance. No you wouldn't do it because the day you need a heart operation and go to hospital and the bill is R1m+ then you'll need it and then you're theory of you paying for it fall through!

Fair enough i hear what ur saying Vega. . .Na definatley not worked up. . .Text just has that Affect :lol: just emphasising the point but its fine. at the end of the day its just an opinion.

now that you guys have made up, Vega, i still feel hurt by my grandma comment...

my poor gammie!

Hey!!!!!1 leave grandma Etwa outa this!!!!

Trensetta wrote: okay hold on. . .i am paying R7300. . .PER MONTH!!! on medical aid. . .i have both myself and my wife and my little one AND my mom on medical.

Your mother is on there - another adult. Go and anylise the breakup - you pay 2/3 for risk.

Trensetta wrote: the only time it has come into use was during my wife's pregnancy. I AM PAYING FOR IT. . . TRUST ME!!!! so dont come with unethical this and unethical that!!!

You are paying for RISK. Do you run out of savings? With GH in there i bet you you do.

Trensetta wrote: all im saying is it helps to do it this way so i am not forking out 7 and a half k a month on medical and then still have to try and pay for my GH as well.

I have to. You dont need GH do you? If they investigate you and your Doc will have some explaining to do.

Trensetta wrote: its amazing how you guys can preach the gospel.:huh: WE ARE ON A F%$#ing STEROID FORUM!!!! come on!!!!okay well think what you want im over it .

What the fuck does your ripping off the medical aid have to do with this forum? Or the use of GH or any other AAS for that matter?

calm down before you have a heart attack:side: . . . .sheeesh!!!hehehe its done im over it. . . .:kiss:

who said bigger is better?as a small guy i take offense.people with so called good genes shouldnt need juice then or are their genes not good enough?

oscardude wrote: who said bigger is better?as a small guy i take offense.people with so called good genes shouldnt need juice then or are their genes not good enough?

well im afraid the human race has gone beyond natural ability in most sports. This means that good genetics are not enough. If you wanna win an olympia you'd better have good genetics AND you better juice hard.
Both are essential

so then hypothetically lets say in the near future plastic surgery takes a giant leap forward and doctors are able to totally transform a skinny guy like me to something out of a juice magazine and i enter mr olympia and i win.do i deserve it?being a bit obtuse here just havin a bad day.

Um i really dont think you can compare undergoing plastic surgery to juice. Juice will not overnight transform you into a pro... Do you even realise the amount of energy, effort, work and determination someone like Cutler puts into his training, diet and lifestyle? Juice means nothing in comparison. Yes juice is necessary to push your body to the next level, but the emphasis here is on the word PUSH. Its hard work. Nothing worthwhile comes easy.

Dont think that guys on juice are taking an easy route, they are simply taking the steps necessary to reach their goals. They still work just as hard as the naturals. In fact if you speak to most users they will tell you that they train harder and commit more to their diet when on cycle.

Muscle built with juice is still hard earned in my books. Surgery not so. Steroids allow us to push beyond our genetic limit, but it comes at a price.

well said spike