Pierre Spies on or not?

Hey i'm a huge rugby fan and i hear everybody say that spies is such a beast ect.But everyone thinks he is natural because they do testing and get tested by the world anti-doping agency and he hasn't tested positive yet.But i rate he is using Human Growth Hormone.Around the time of the 2007 rugby world cup his health was in a bad way and he had a clot in one of his arteries [uhh that's kind of strange if he is supposed to be natural] what do you think Guys?

dude there is a topic on this already, just search it isn't that hard

Search for him - there is another thread.

I think there are many reasons why someone may develop Pulmanory Embolism. Performance enhancing drugs, EPO etc increase RedBlood cells. In time they become sticky and clot.
Some people are more susceptible to clotting where the enzymes that controll clotting are abnormal.
You should drink enough water and use asprin(without allergies - goes withoutr saying!) to minimize sticky blood.
These are all detectable in blood tests - and i for one have them tested while on cycle.

Here is something i googled that is quite interesting. Maybe not entirely an answer but makes some good reading.

Anyone know a males GH is pulsed? yes of course! and a women?... NO! its continuous! I didnt know that.

www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/VenousThrombosis/10091

Schrim, pierre's father had the same problem, if I am not mistaken its how he died.my mom new his father very well and if you were a little older you would also remember his father as he was also a very good rugby player and was also a fairly big bloke.

You know, nobody can really make a true comment without proof. If you look at some of the bois in the NZ team you will say that also on drugs. I was told not sure if was by someone on this forum or someone else I know that his friend who was playing for the sharks was banned for life for being on gear, and that is club level. So I am not sure how where and when all this takes place.

I did listen to a nice thing on TV last night about growth hormones and how Sylvester Stallone says he uses it to stay lean and keep him young. Then a question was asked is hGH for men what botox is for women and they agreed it was.

Then some stupid $#@()@#!$! came on and had to list every possible radical side effect that might be caused by using hGH.

00pump wrote: ....Then some stupid $#@()@#!$! came on and had to list every possible radical side effect that might be caused by using hGH.

Thats journalism for you! Pity!

Pierre Spies is a Blue Bull. Bulls are naturally big and strong. He is not on gear. I rest my case. Thank you. :laugh:

yes and they also cant control their tempers and end up killing people

BWHAHHAHAHAHA, go sharks!

DJ wrote: yes and they also cant control their tempers and end up killing people

:laugh: DJ, if you lived here you would also kill people.........

DJ wrote: yes and they also cant control their tempers and end up killing people

The jury is still out on that one.
This town is infested with dirty Metro Cops. It looks more like a hi-jacking to me.

ps i dont support any rugby teams other than those bouncy things,i thing they are the spring boks? all i know is they have a monkey for a coach!

I read somewhere that most rugby players use GH to recover from injuries not necessarily for staying lean or anabolic purposes. Also heard its extremely expensive to test for GH as the tests can only pick traces if used within 24 hrs

On a sidenote read somewhere that Jerry Collins had 22" arms at around 8% BF :blink: using your knowledge of bodybuilding you can make up your mind about whether or not he was natural and how strict the doping laws are :whistle: