Blood pressure

Hey. So far im one week into my bulking cycle of 750mg cyp and 350mg deca. Also been frontloading with OC labs dbol 40mg per day for the last 7 days. The last couple days I've started getting headaches that dont respond to pain killers and after checking my bp last night it was up to 160/100. I took a lasix to bring it down and by the morning it was 140/90. I've had a similar problem before at the end of my last cycle, i think when using prop and win. When i saw my doc about it that time he gave me to lasix to use. I dunno whether its the orals that disagree with me but im lookin for something better to use to control bp while on dbol as im not keen on long term lasix use. Anyone had similar problems or used herbal or supplements to control bp? I know pump is pretty familiar with bp problems. Otherwise tomoro I'll visit my pharmacist to try get something

I'd drop the Dianna's Balls Spike. Had the same issues when i used them. Touch salt OR sugar and felt the BP going up. Not quite as high as yours but close. I saw the frontload through but it wasn't nice. Opted for Tunibol last time which was much better.

Hmmm, im considering it... but pretty bleak as i was rather enjoying being on them at first. Was starting to make things happen for me

Then maybe just swallow the meds and stick it out for the 4 weeks. 160/100 is a bit high for comfort. I feel really kak when it spikes.
Anyway - i'm sure you are closer to a medical answer than me - good luck.

haha, yeah. thats what im going for. using the lasix to keep it down and sticking to the dbol, only a short frontload so i'll survive it

160/100 is not very lekker... just watch your kidneys though.

any suggestions for kidney support?

spike wrote: any suggestions for kidney support?

I don't think kidney support can help here, because the problem is not with clearing the urinary tract, but rather the high blood-pressure causing damage.

Pump is pretty knowledgeable here, so hopefully he sees this thread.

How does high blood pressure hurt my kidneys?

High blood pressure makes your heart work harder and, over time, can damage blood vessels throughout your body. If the blood vessels in your kidneys are damaged, they may stop removing wastes and extra fluid from your body. The extra fluid in your blood vessels may then raise blood pressure even more. It's a dangerous cycle.

High blood pressure is one of the leading causes of kidney failure , also commonly called end-stage renal disease (ESRD). People with kidney failure must either receive a kidney transplant or go on dialysis. Every year, high blood pressure causes more than 25,000 new cases of kidney failure in the United States.


How will I know whether I have kidney damage?

Kidney damage, like hypertension, can be unnoticeable and detected only through medical tests. Blood tests will show whether your kidneys are removing wastes efficiently. Your doctor should order tests to measure your serum creatinine. Having too much creatinine in your blood is a sign that you have kidney damage. The doctor should use the serum creatinine to estimate the main kidney function called glomerular filtration rate, or GFR.

Another sign is proteinuria, or protein in your urine. Proteinuria has also been shown to be associated with heart disease and damaged blood vessels.


How can I prevent high blood pressure from damaging my kidneys?

If you have kidney damage, you should keep your blood pressure below 130/80. The National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), recommends that people with kidney disease use whatever therapy is necessary, including lifestyle changes and medicines, to keep their blood pressure below 130/80.

Hmm, as admin says 160/90 ouch, you can't really support it, well not easily.

But you can look at using horsetail "silica" which will help strengthen the kidneys and if you looking at other eastern medicine you can look at using Cordyceps Sinensis (dong chong xia cao), this is a type of fungus grown in china and is used in allot of different types of medicine. It is also advised to use Ganoderma Lucidum as they support each other.

Foods that help strengthen the kidneys are black beans and black sesame. The problem with this and being a bodybuilding is difficult as diets high in meat can cause further issue to the kidney as the kidneys are not filtering proteins, yes it is possible for protein to leak into the kidney but not noticeably (eg: wont show up in dip stick tests)

I see you BP has been giving you problems for a few months now (on and off) and I would really suggest you get yourself onto some BP medication as it takes some serious time for these products to stabilize in the blood. To be honest the Beta blockers I went onto (ontop of other BP med) has now taken close on a month for it to give me some standard readings and not bouncing all over the place.

Things that I find with myself that raise BP is coffe, stay away from it and replace that with green tea (yes it has caffeine in it) but doesn't effect the BP but on the other hand lowers my diastolic reading "which is the dangerous one".

You have to get things under control or you going to start seeing high levels of creatine in the blood..

Do you have bubbles in your urine ? I do know I asked this before you did start the first line of defence and started using a diuretic? If you have and its not resovled get to a doc and start looking at using a Beta blocker / ACE inhibitors or a Calcium channel blocker.

Maybe suggest to your doctor Zartan 50 to start with ? If not working ask him his thoughts on coaprovel 150. I doubt he will start you as high as that so hence the Zartan might be your second line of defence after trying the diuretics.

Growth hormones do lower you readings but I find it more so the systolic reading (which is a concern but not so much in your case) actually it is too high, if you where around 100kgs at your heigh I would say 160 is fine, it is too high.. So that is an option to lower it...

Other route I know works but isn't really dealing with the problem is Bromocriptine, you are going to feel sick the first few days and feel like you having explosions going on in your head (I get this twice) and wanting to be sick but it works extremely well.

To be honest if you don't KILL estrogen (large doses of Letro) I wouldn't touch DBol, its a steroid that just doesn't agree with me and if thats the case with you just don't use it, your health is more important to you.

The bottom line is its starting to get serious now and you need to start excluding things out of your diet.. The things I listed above can help with a kidney that is started having problems and it will only heal kidney cells that are not completely damaged, cells that are completely damaged (CANNOT) be repaired regardless of what type of healing method you using and the chances of going onto dialisis becomes a greater concern.

Sweet

Yeah the bp was a problem last cycle. Its been perfectly fine since then, only now that im on dbol its suddenly gone up. The diuretic keeps it nice and low. I do have letro on me so what sort of dose would you recommend?

1mg but how long for it to stabilize is another story...

Well im just about finished the dbol frontload of my cycle and the bp hasnt been an issue since this post. I used lasix a few times to drop off the excess water and began running letro at 1mg a day as pump suggested. Worked a charm and the BP is under control, no more headaches or fatigue. All in all im 5kg up so far after 3 weeks on the dbol, and thats a decently dry gain considering the letro and lasix. Started on 76.5kg and up to 81.5kg. Still looking lean enough, and with one week of dbol left im hoping to push it to 83kg, which will be a great start to this cycle as 82kg is my heaviest ever. Then waiting for the nice dose of Test cyp @ 750mg and Deca @ 350mg to kick in... Looking like some solid gains to be had, maybe high 80's