Quad injection

spike wrote:

On my last week of supertest and equi at 320mg/175mg twice a week...

But goin on to test prop and winnie to lead up to the contest so figured i'd better try a new pinning location to prepare for the EOD test prop shots

Injectable winny? Thats a bastard. And test prop's no fun either. But I don't think the prop will be any worse than super test, that's got a bit of a bite to it.

Na just using oral winnie, only running it for 4 weeks. Yeah the prop im a little scared of

spike wrote:

Na just using oral winnie, only running it for 4 weeks. Yeah the prop im a little scared of

I think thats a good call on the winny.
What dose of prop are you using?
You can cut it on a 1:1 ratio with sterile grape seed oil to reduce the concentration. Makes a big difference to the pain, if you're struggling.

Not certain of dose yet, still doin my math. I take last shot of equi and supertest on thurs... Competition is on 3 April. Need to stop test prop two weeks before comp and run for one week after to counter estro rebound... So? When should i start the prop? Immediate or two weeks after supertest? Dose you'd reccommend? Not looking to grow obviously, just harden for comp, will also be running oral winnie, and in last two weeks proviron and letro? What you think?

DJ has done the planning for me so far

spike wrote:

Not certain of dose yet, still doin my math. I take last shot of equi and supertest on thurs... Competition is on 3 April. Need to stop test prop two weeks before comp and run for one week after to counter estro rebound... So? When should i start the prop? Immediate or two weeks after supertest? Dose you'd reccommend? Not looking to grow obviously, just harden for comp, will also be running oral winnie, and in last two weeks proviron and letro? What you think?

DJ has done the planning for me so far

Why do you need to stop the prop 2 weeks before the comp?

I would run the prop at 600mg per week. I would start the prop at the weekend-Saturday or Sunday. You could start it later as the cyp and enth as well as iso esters will still be running, but the prop and phenylprop will be starting to drop, so to keep blood levels as stable as possible you could start the prop at 300mg per week for the first week and then hit full dose of 600mg in the second week.
If you're running both winny and proviron, I don't think you need letro-might be dropping estrogen too low. If you do, at a very low dose-0.25mg every third day.

Not too sure, tho one of my problems is that coming off a 15 week cycle cash is low at the moment so trying to figure what will best maintain the hardness i currently have up til the show without breaking the bank... And running prop at 600mg per week for 7 weeks is just out of the ballpark... Worried about this as currently im looking good, with just a bit of water that needs to go, tho all too early

Maybe Dj can best explain it, to be honest i dont have the experience to quite understand the in's and out's of contest prep, it's all new to me. Dj has helped me out plenty so dont wanna be stepping on toes here...

I've never done any contest prep, so I'm sure DJ knows better.
I think DJ told you to come off the test prop 2 weeks before to eliminate any water retention from the prop.

How did DJ suggest you run the test prop after the supertest?

He didnt specify, will have to ask. Just mentioned i'd need two bottles prop, would stop two weeks before the show to avoid water (would be using letro for antiestro, and proviron for these two weeks) and would need to run another week of prop after show to combat estro rebound. Also 4 weeks of winnie. Not sure of any of the timing, i think only Dj could answer this. Dont understand the methods, but i've certainly seen the results with Ogre. Think i'll speak to Ogre bout it tomoro, need to go see him anyway

Post it up, I'd be interested to hear DJ's methology and his take on the prop timing and dose for contest prep.
I presume the winny is for the last 4 weeks running right up to the competition

u drop the the prop 2 weeks before the show,any long esters should be dropped 6 weeks before the show,u run the winstrol from week 4,3, at constant dosage of 30-40mg daily,week 2 and 1 leading up to the show, letro and proviron with the winstrol at about 50mg daily. the week after the show u will take prop eod/ed shots for the week post show.

spike wrote:

Not certain of dose yet, still doin my math. I take last shot of equi and supertest on thurs... Competition is on 3 April. Need to stop test prop two weeks before comp and run for one week after to counter estro rebound... So? When should i start the prop? Immediate or two weeks after supertest? Dose you'd reccommend? Not looking to grow obviously, just harden for comp, will also be running oral winnie, and in last two weeks proviron and letro? What you think?

DJ has done the planning for me so far

how many weeks is it between the show and your last shot? if there is 6 weeks before the show and thats the week of your last shot u go straight into the prop shots for 4weeks then stop them and then carry on for a week post cycle and add in your pct after that...

Yohimbe wrote:

spike wrote:

Not certain of dose yet, still doin my math. I take last shot of equi and supertest on thurs... Competition is on 3 April. Need to stop test prop two weeks before comp and run for one week after to counter estro rebound... So? When should i start the prop? Immediate or two weeks after supertest? Dose you'd reccommend? Not looking to grow obviously, just harden for comp, will also be running oral winnie, and in last two weeks proviron and letro? What you think?

DJ has done the planning for me so far

Why do you need to stop the prop 2 weeks before the comp?

I would run the prop at 600mg per week. I would start the prop at the weekend-Saturday or Sunday. You could start it later as the cyp and enth as well as iso esters will still be running, but the prop and phenylprop will be starting to drop, so to keep blood levels as stable as possible you could start the prop at 300mg per week for the first week and then hit full dose of 600mg in the second week.
If you're running both winny and proviron, I don't think you need letro-might be dropping estrogen too low. If you do, at a very low dose-0.25mg every third day.

100mg eod of the prop is fine,if u are using the pgw one u dont have to worry about pain as there is none...

ummmm yohimbe i suggest going high dose letro 1mg and above for 2 weeks before the show,this will ensure no water retention from estrogen conversion,it will also kill 100% of estrogen making sure that fat will be burned aswell(on love handles,inner thighs etc) and it will also make u hard as all fuck... 0.25mg is too low a dose.

Awesome Dj, thanks.

I take my last supertest shot this thurs, and will be exactly 6 weeks out on sat. So next week i start the prop at 100mg EOD, should i start beginning of week or end?

So: week -6,-5: Test Prop 100mgEOD
week -4,-3: Test Prop 100mg EOD, Winstrol 30-40mg Daily
week -2,-1: Winstrol 50mg Daily, PRoviron 50-75mg Daily
Letro 1mg Daily.
Competition: All remaining proviron
week +1: Test Prop 100mg EOD til finished
Then PCT

As all this extends my cycle from 15 to 22 weeks, should i use some HCG at some point in between? Would this have effects on water?

THanks DJ, makes sense. I was thinking the letro was a bit high for a normal cycle, but I haven't got any experience in contest prep.
Won't you suffer with the joints in those last 4 weeks? Suppose the price you pay. Just have to be careful with heavy lifting.

go to www.spotinjections.com

If you are pinning chest, shoulders, glutes and quads, thats 8 shots before you pin them again. So if you running prop, thats Mon Wed Fri. That means you are giving the sites just over 2 weeks to heal. If you gonna run short esters be sure you can pin properly.

Most of all be safe.

Sorry spike how did the quad injection go by the way? no pain? If i missed you mentioning about the pain soz.

Well basically snoek, im crippled. I've been hobbling around like an angry pirate since tuesday. Was worst yesterday, i could hardly walk. My quad is still tender now, tight and red. A little swollen too. Seems to get worse at the end of the day or after long sitting. My gracious gosh i dunno how im gonna handle this prop. Scared is an understatement, haha. Had to skip legs yesterday

Prop separates the boys from the men.
Try cutting it on 1:1 ratio with sterile grape seed oil, to reduce the concentration-helps a lot. And don't forget to heat it well before injecting- I use a hair dryer once in the syringe.
And inject slowly. Otherwise Ibuprofen and man up

I was on Prop for ten weeks last year and I only had a problem when I injected too fast. 2ml at a time. I then injected super slow. Like plunger barely moving slow. Then I didn't feel anything.

This wasnt even the prop! Was supertest and equi, i just tried out the quad to get ready for prop next week... :ohmy:

spike wrote:

Well basically snoek, im crippled. I've been hobbling around like an angry pirate since tuesday. Was worst yesterday, i could hardly walk. My quad is still tender now, tight and red. A little swollen too. Seems to get worse at the end of the day or after long sitting. My gracious gosh i dunno how im gonna handle this prop. Scared is an understatement, haha. Had to skip legs yesterday

Shame man, quads i try stay away from, the prop will do nothing to u except aid u, i did it for 12 weeks...got pain only once from injecting to low on the glute, that lasted 2 days at most.

spike wrote:

This wasnt even the prop! Was supertest and equi, i just tried out the quad to get ready for prop next week... :ohmy:

Bwhaha. lol. Good luck. Apparently the Supertest has quite a bite. I don't think you'll have a problem with Prop if you inject super slow.

spike wrote:

This wasnt even the prop! Was supertest and equi, i just tried out the quad to get ready for prop next week... :ohmy:

Oh damn :laugh:

I don't think the prop is going to be worse than the supertest-thats high concentration per ml.

Well super slow we go, got the PGW prop today along with my winny, OC Labs Stanabol 10... Anyone use it before?

And seen as i shoot my last supertest and equi just now, what day should i start the prop next week? Just doing 100mg EOD alone, will start winny in two weeks and run up to the show, two weeks out the prop will stop and proviron will start.