De-Merit system

Please note that the De-Merit system is in place as from twelve o' clock
last night. Points are put on scale under your ID No. on the system for
any traffic violations and thus you can unknowingly lose your license.

There is no longer a 10km/h grace for exceeding the speed limit. They
fine as from km one.
Starting today, they are going full-out.

These mo'fos cant even sort out the taxi shit ... this is just another feeble attempt from our "great" government .... Pick on the law abiding members of society ... bastards

Look im all for road safety but then it has to apply to all ...

Agree, but try explain that to a Metro cop.

Does anyone know how many points you need to lose to lose your license and then how long you lose it for?
And how long do the demerits last for a particular violation?

I think once you lose it, that's it, no getting it back

I'm sure there must be some sort of suspension period, and maybe have to re take your drivers, but surely not a permanent ban

Here's something I found, so it looks like its not permanent but you lose the licence for a certain period of time with respect to the number of points exceeded.




"New traffic demerit system to hit Gauteng drivers soon


SANDRA LIEBERUM

JOHANNESBURG - Gauteng traffic law enforcement is set to change drastically soon and holds extreme implications for local motorists who face having their cars, furniture and other valuables sold – and eventually losing their driver’s licences if violation notices are ignored and unpaid.

They could also lose their commercial credit rating. Motorist will still be arrested at a road blocks on warrants – which will be issued 96 days after no response to a registered letter. But generally traffic offences will be kept out of the courts to be dealt with by “the road traffic management corporation office”.

Motorists wishing to challenge a violation notice by going to court and pleading not guilty will have to inform the office and a court date will be set and summons issued.

Motorists will still stand trial for allegations of driving while under the influence, and for driving in excess of 160km/h.

This is the implementation of the demerit system where “when accumulated demerit points exceed 12 the infringer is disqualified from driving or operating a vehicle for a period in months equal to three times the number of points exceeding 12”."

Thanks "Sting.
Looks like you're going to have to behave yourself on the roads from now on-these women drivers

this crap combined with the fact that they going to automatically debit your account for approximately 50 cents per km for every 1km you travel on the revamped highways is going to put alot of people out of pocket. New number plates with encoded chips embedded in them will automatically be scanned, reveal your cars details, your account etc( will be inputted when plates are purchased and linked to licensing departments)when you drive on the highway through toll points.

They implement a similar system in the UK for Congestion Tax. Cameras scan your plates and if you haven`t paid the tax it automatically sends your adress a 50 quid fine.

Welcome to rape incorporated.

eNaTIS doesnt implement the demerit system. It will have to be manually administered. Do you really think they can do that?
Also - there are way too many aspects/rules to consider.
eg - How will the points deminish? How are the points added - eg Transport co won't fix the rear lights and forces the driver to use the vhicle - who gets the points?, etc. etc.

They have been confused since 1997 when the frst system was coded for the old NaTIS.

bribery and corruption will be more rife than ever ...

system only comes into play in May. How it will be administered is any1's guess. They still dont have a white paper on the issue!

superbeast2 wrote:

system only comes into play in May. How it will be administered is any1's guess. They still dont have a white paper on the issue!

This is what I heard in an interview on the news as well... Also something about a test stage and only certain areas...

eNaTIS.AARTO is up and running in PTA/JHB. It administers the infringement lifecycle and works pretty well. (Fine tuning for country wide release).
This means that you will get your fines in the mail and if you dont pay on time it automatically enters a new stage like issuing a court order etc.
It caters for demerit points in the way of acknowldging the fact that there are points - thats all.
There are no rules governing the issue or deminishing of points.

Dankie Haas....

I've heard so many times that it will be started that I just ignore it now... I have outstanding fines from like 4 years ago.

Its just another cash cow for them. Money is going missing everywhere and they dont have the brains or the care to try stop it.

Their solution????? Simply take more and give less...

acidkidsa wrote:

Its just another cash cow for them. Money is going missing everywhere and they dont have the brains or the care to try stop it.

Their solution????? Simply take more and give less...

The AARTO is actually going to stop all the corruption and in the long run save the public many millions. The fine gets issued and captured on eNaTIS where the lifecycle is automated.

Remember:
1. You have a discount period.
2. Every time a representation is entered where no legitimate reason exists you will get charged. This will save plenty R with officials getting tied up with rubish claims. Those that are successfull are recorde and paterns of miuse can be identified.
3. No more paperwork getting lost in the system.
4. you are charged progressivly for each notice - no more dragging your feet to payment.
etc.

All this revenue is added to the RTMC's coffers where i'm sure it will be ditribted to areas where money is needed for the promotion of the "arive alive" initiative. Better, safer roads, better law enforcement, etc. etc.

You have no idea how much corruption has been irradicated and how many more cases are in the process of being identified. The checks and balances coded into eNaTIS is growing everyday. Officials with their hand dirty are known long before they realize thereby identifying networks of corruption.
Remember, eNaTIS is probably the most advanced system of its kind world-wide.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

acidkidsa wrote:

Its just another cash cow for them. Money is going missing everywhere and they dont have the brains or the care to try stop it.

Their solution????? Simply take more and give less...

The AARTO is actually going to stop all the corruption and in the long run save the public many millions. The fine gets issued and captured on eNaTIS where the lifecycle is automated.

Remember:
1. You have a discount period.
2. Every time a representation is entered where no legitimate reason exists you will get charged. This will save plenty R with officials getting tied up with rubish claims. Those that are successfull are recorde and paterns of miuse can be identified.
3. No more paperwork getting lost in the system.
4. you are charged progressivly for each notice - no more dragging your feet to payment.
etc.

All this revenue is added to the RTMC's coffers where i'm sure it will be ditribted to areas where money is needed for the promotion of the "arive alive" initiative. Better, safer roads, better law enforcement, etc. etc.

You have no idea how much corruption has been irradicated and how many more cases are in the process of being identified. The checks and balances coded into eNaTIS is growing everyday. Officials with their hand dirty are known long before they realize thereby identifying networks of corruption.
Remember, eNaTIS is probably the most advanced system of its kind world-wide.

You right it is power, I had to interphase Honda SA into eNatis for vechile registrations.. dam hectic system with some really advanced security.

i think what is going to happen is that alot of people who currently rather take the fine than pay the bribe are going take the bribe as they are going to think twice about getting points taken off their licenses. Corrupt cops are going to use it as a leverage to get the bribes they want.

Internally though I think with that amount of checks and balances the corruption will be reduced but out on the street...I don`t think so.

Barbell wrote:

i think what is going to happen is that alot of people who currently rather take the fine than pay the bribe are going take the bribe as they are going to think twice about getting points taken off their licenses. Corrupt cops are going to use it as a leverage to get the bribes they want.

Internally though I think with that amount of checks and balances the corruption will be reduced but out on the street...I don`t think so.

You are right. I think it boils down to the morality of the country after all. I will do my bit, will you do yours?

Corrupt cops are involved in more stuff than just traffic bribes. Traffic offences are the least of our worries. As long as we allow them to operate by paying bribes the murders will contine. Taxis will keep killing their passangers etc.

yup they will have more power and require largest bribes to let one off... but people will pay it thats for sure.

ek wil nie snaaks wees nie, maar net eerlik se ek sal graag n bribe betaal, as ek 3 of 4 honderd rand kan betaal in plaas van 1500 rand en punte dan sal ek dit doen, en ek dink 85% van suid afrika sal ook.

for sure...If I have no transport I have no access to clients....I try keep to the speed laws but its those fucking 75 kms in a 60 or 100 in a 80 kmph zone on a dual carriage way that catch me...not a recless driver by any means but those accumulate...if I end up with a choice of a 500 buck bribe or loosing my license some jmpd cop is going to have pie and coke money for a month....

Listen guys, i have'nt had a fine for at least 10 years. How often do you get fined?
Anyway - these points have to deminish somehow. We dont know the rules yet. 12 points is alot (f i remember correctly).

You will probably have your points deminished before you get the next fine. Unless you're a serious offender, in which case i have no sympathy for you.

Why cant we just stick to the rules? They are there to save lifes aren't they?

what are you on about i'm a freakin street racer!!!!!!!!! heheeeee