newbie about to be on first cycle- will Tren work?

Hi all
I'm a 43 yr old male 5'7 91 kg who has been working out for about 6 mths. I workout 5 days a week with a routine i downloaded from muscle hack. Been losing weight at first ....went down to 84kg now i'm back up to 91kg....probly muscle mass adding up. I'm also on a diet where I eat 5 small meals a day and stay off the sugar completly. ( and almost no booze). I also use 4 IU's of ***** lab growth a day. Use N.O. Shotgun before and Standard Gold Whey after..... But I still got that dreaded "boep".

I want to start building faster and dump fat at the same time. Dont intend looking like Arnold but would like to look good for the wife and feel good about myself.

I got some Trenbolone enanthate 150 (has a sticker on the lid with PGW on it) today and proviron and i have to admit I am kak worried about using it. Ive never used any gear before.

Will this stuff do the trick and how often should i use it?

MotoMoto wrote:

Hi all
I'm a 43 yr old male 5'7 91 kg who has been working out for about 6 mths. I workout 5 days a week with a routine i downloaded from muscle hack. Been losing weight at first ....went down to 84kg now i'm back up to 91kg....probly muscle mass adding up. I'm also on a diet where I eat 5 small meals a day and stay off the sugar completly. ( and almost no booze). I also use 4 IU's of ***** lab growth a day. Use N.O. Shotgun before and Standard Gold Whey after..... But I still got that dreaded "boep".

I want to start building faster and dump fat at the same time. Dont intend looking like Arnold but would like to look good for the wife and feel good about myself.

I got some Trenbolone enanthate 150 (has a sticker on the lid with PGW on it) today and proviron and i have to admit I am kak worried about using it. Ive never used any gear before.

Will this stuff do the trick and how often should i use it?

I would not use tren in a first cycle. Put tren in a cubbord and get yourself some good ol test. 600 mgs / week with maybe a dbol frontload for 10 weeks and you loving life. Tren leave for later dude comes with some shitty sides as well. however you can hit proviron with you test cycle to harden up a bit (I would use it just before PCT depending how much of this stuff you got cause its not cheap)

wait wait didnt see the first part you are using ***** GH? at 4 IU growth should be cutting you up pretty quick just under a month i see great results or even less on *********(to harden and lean out).Ive done ********* at 2 IU ED for 4 months and dropped mad bodyfat. But since you are using ***** GH I am not surprised at all because it is the worst garbage ive seen. Lost loads of $ on ***** GH when it first came to SA years ago a lot of that GH was just not giving any results. If you dont have the $ for grade A GH get yourself some ****** rather..

At 43 I wouldn't recommend tren as it shuts you down pretty hard. You don't want to play with your natural test production as it gets harder and harder to recover to natural/normal levels.

So no, tren would probably be on your list of substances to stay away from. Like Lesa said a nice test only cycle would do the trick and you'll have to do a full blown (because of age) PCT to recover.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you're a toppie but rather safe than sorry.

vega5 wrote:

At 43 I wouldn't recommend tren as it shuts you down pretty hard. You don't want to play with your natural test production as it gets harder and harder to recover to natural/normal levels.

So no, tren would probably be on your list of substances to stay away from. Like Lesa said a nice test only cycle would do the trick and you'll have to do a full blown (because of age) PCT to recover.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you're a toppie but rather safe than sorry.

He is a "toppie" and should not use juice, but rather go work in the garden and look after his grandchildren. :laugh:

Only joking bud, everything is possible. I am turning 47 this year and started gymming at 44 after years and years of pissing it up. I started this week with my 4th cycle and people say that they cannot believe my age. The most that my age was ever guessed was 40. Next year I will go the GH route to shed even a few more years of my age.

Firstly,for your current goals,you dont need any form of steroid at all.You are 5'7 and 91kg,so i guess your bodyfat percentage is quite huge,you cannot start a Test cycle with a big boep.The bottomline to losing your boep is to consume less calories,which you obviously are not doing.And you wont burn fat with a weight-lifting routine only,you need to do lots and lots of cardio.

Fix your diet and workout program before considering steroids,they are not an easyfix to any problem.

On the same note, you could also chat to your doc about TRT at age 43.

Thnx for the replies.
I'll put the tren away or find somebody to swop for test( cost me a grand).
********** was offered and it was sugested that i also take ******** with the ********** as well as the Proviron at the same time. Told that if I took ******** with the above i would not have to do any other injections after 6 week cycle was over.Is this correct?

I have almost finished mt 100 IU's of ***** and would like to try a ********** pen rather. Any sugestions as to what is the better Growth to use. Dont mind paying more if the stuff is going to work.

I am currently working out five days a week where i do weights in the morning and 40 min cardio in the afternoon.
Am on a diet of rabit food fish and chicken devided into 5 small meals a day.(feels like i am starving on some days) and I drink about 3L water a day. Just still got this dam boep. Been doing the above since October.

I was also hoping the Growth would speed things up a bit.

MotoMoto wrote:

Thnx for the replies.
I'll put the tren away or find somebody to swop for test( cost me a grand).
********** was offered and it was sugested that i also take ******** with the Testoviron as well as the ******** at the same time. Told that if I took proviron with the above i would not have to do any other injections after 6 week cycle was over.Is this correct?

I have almost finished mt 100 IU's of ***** and would like to try a ********** pen rather. Any sugestions as to what is the better Growth to use. Dont mind paying more if the stuff is going to work.

First 6 weeks cycle I personally think is Short. Go for 10 weeks bud.Testoviron is good its a long acting steroid mix similiar to sus. Second you have tons of researching and reading to do because even after your cycle (using ******** with it or not) you will need a PCT.******** you use to either frontload or at the end of the cycle to harden up. No one here is going to spoon feed you so do some research and lets see what you come up with, and then we will sculpt your cycle for you.

As for the GH the best out there (but really pricey) is ********* and **********, the one you metnioned. However do research on GH as well as this is not a fast acting substance and it needs to be taken over period of 6 months. This canb be extremely expensive. You should be taking metoformin with GH as well because of your body insulin sensitivity. GH alone can cause diabates type II in adult males.

You got tons of reading to do mate before doing anything just yet.

MotoMoto wrote:

Am on a diet of rabit food fish and chicken devided into 5 small meals a day.(feels like i am starving on some days) and I drink about 3L water a day. Just still got this dam boep.

ummm thats why u are not loosing more bf dude,u feel like u are starving yourself ummm cos u are,i have been dieting since the 17th of october and i am currently 20kgs lighter than i was then,in 15 weeks,i am upping my cals for 1 week and then back on the diet,i was hoping to compete on the 3rd of april but that seems to be a bit too ambitious so i am aiming for the 26th of june,which is more attainable... i can do u a proper diet but i do charge for diets but u will be happy with the results...

eating to little send the body into starvation,whay u need to do is probably adjust calories for 1 week by adding in carbs and fats from healthy sources (not a binge week) and then back on to the diet but slightly modified as in less fat and carbs and higher protein,this should help stoke your metabolism,u should be have at least 1 refeed/carb up in a space of 7 - 10 days to replenish glycogen stores and boost your thyroid levels up... a good way to see if your metabolism is shut down is how regular/constipated u are,the less u go and the harder it is to go the more your metabolism has shut down...

Hey Lesa thnx for the reply
As for the reading and doing some research .....that is all i have done for what seems forever... everybody has a diferent opinion as to what to take...what to do...what is kak.... oooyes and that I must go and read up on gear on the net. Then after two to three weeks of "research" on the net down loading ebook after ebook one finaly comes to the conclusion that this is one big mind f#@k. Sooo then I ended up on a forum (this one) and after reading sooo many posts from other gurus of gear I decided to ask "duh what the hell does all this mean" and dont get me wrong as i really do appreciate the constructive critism....but bieng told to go do more research isn't going to get me any closer to looking as fu@#ng good as you guys in the gym.
From what i can gather is....
5 days a week gym is good....
weights every morning and cardio in afternoon for three days a week is good...
5 small meals a day including chicken ,omega3 tuna eg is good...
drinking lots of water is good...
using 4 Iu's of growth a day for more than 6 mths is good...
drinking Gold Standard Whey Protien after gym is good....
Taking the R1000 btl of Tren i was sold by some knowit all and sticking it up his gear injected arse will only make me feel good....

This getting a six pack is a lot of fun.....i'm sure it's there just under 5kg's of fat.

yes but get your diet right first... dude u can use as much gear as the pro's and yet they still diet down for a show,which means that there is a little more to this word called diet other than starving yourself...

cool djeasye
If you can work out a plan for me I will gladly pay for it. Bacause I am obviosly lost when it comes to correct eating and need all the help i can get.

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MotoMoto wrote:

Hey Lesa thnx for the reply
As for the reading and doing some research .....that is all i have done for what seems forever... everybody has a diferent opinion as to what to take...what to do...what is kak.... oooyes and that I must go and read up on gear on the net. Then after two to three weeks of "research" on the net down loading ebook after ebook one finaly comes to the conclusion that this is one big mind f#@k. Sooo then I ended up on a forum (this one) and after reading sooo many posts from other gurus of gear I decided to ask "duh what the hell does all this mean" and dont get me wrong as i really do appreciate the constructive critism....but bieng told to go do more research isn't going to get me any closer to looking as fu@#ng good as you guys in the gym.
From what i can gather is....
5 days a week gym is good....
weights every morning and cardio in afternoon for three days a week is good...
5 small meals a day including chicken ,omega3 tuna eg is good...
drinking lots of water is good...
using 4 Iu's of growth a day for more than 6 mths is good...
drinking Gold Standard Whey Protien after gym is good....
Taking the R1000 btl of Tren i was sold by some knowit all and sticking it up his gear injected arse will only make me feel good....

This getting a six pack is a lot of fun.....i'm sure it's there just under 5kg's of fat.

Im not trying to be funny dude but you should come up with some sort of a cycle from your own research then with a solid proper PCT then guys will tell you what is good and what to change. Problem is from your post it shows that the knowledge lvl is low hence you saying you wont need pct after using proviron etc. Research what PCT is, what frontloading is, what are steroid half lives and how long do they it in the system. Research on dosages and also you can find Cycle samples right here on the site. But first things is first get your diet in order even before you go into juice. You are not ready yet mate.

Even if you thought of taking tren you got only one bottle? that wouldnt be enough for a cycle. before you start a cycle make sure you have EVERYTHING including your correctables.

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Inja wrote:

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this is making no sense .. i understand that we can not mention companies that make certain products but saying testoviron or sustanon or humatrope does not mean you are mentioning a pharma grade company. Many companies make these products..