Christians and the use of steroids

Well I am keeping out of this subject Wayne as I a Atheist and don't want to upset anyone.

You said "So today we live in this world as a test"

I will be Sustonon then

Unfortunately , everything in today's world can be abused . Whether you do or dont, depends on the type of person

We are Gods children, and he loves us all, he wants us to return the love that he has for us,
He gave us the freedom of choice, to choose weather to love him or not, because God will not force us to love him, it must be our choice.

acidkidsa wrote:

Well I am keeping out of this subject Wayne as I a Atheist and don't want to upset anyone.

You said "So today we live in this world as a test"

I will be Sustonon then

Unfortunately , everything in today's world can be abused . Whether you do or dont, depends on the type of person

lol, well Sustenon, I be supertest combo then...lol

Wayne wrote:

Oh, gosh, relegion is quite a messy subject,
@ acid, Basically my understanding is...

Yes, God created Evil, cos the devil was once upon a time the greatest servant of god, in fact according to scriptures, he was also the teacher of angels, so highly was he regarded...but it was his pride that led to his downfall, his refusal to bow down to man....So long story short, he swore that he could lead all of mankind astray so as to show God they do not deserve to be called the best of creation! So today we live in this world as a test...As to why i think we are the best of creation, how can we when angels never sin and we sin everyday....That would be it, I say its cos we sin then turn to God for forgiveness, the fact that we have the choice to sin and not give a damn or sin and repent for it is what makes us better then Angels in God's eye....

Very well put Wayne, couldn't have said it better myself

Happyraven wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Oh, gosh, relegion is quite a messy subject,
@ acid, Basically my understanding is...

Yes, God created Evil, cos the devil was once upon a time the greatest servant of god, in fact according to scriptures, he was also the teacher of angels, so highly was he regarded...but it was his pride that led to his downfall, his refusal to bow down to man....So long story short, he swore that he could lead all of mankind astray so as to show God they do not deserve to be called the best of creation! So today we live in this world as a test...As to why i think we are the best of creation, how can we when angels never sin and we sin everyday....That would be it, I say its cos we sin then turn to God for forgiveness, the fact that we have the choice to sin and not give a damn or sin and repent for it is what makes us better then Angels in God's eye....

Very well put Wayne, couldn't have said it better myself

Thank you...

Beastie wrote:

My view, no it is not a sin God put you on earth to rule all living on earth, improving yourself is not a sin. Well your body does produce natural steroids does'nt it?

I hear what you are saying. I fully believe that the use of steroids IS NOT a sin...BUT, the way in which we get it is. To elaborate: if a doc gives me a script for test for whatever reason and i get it from a chemist, well thats 100%, but because we get it illegally, to ME, that part is the sin part. Like i said, i do it, so i am not condemming anyone

You are mixing the laws of God and the laws of man.
"what does your heart tell you Anakin?"

yeah, true, laws of man are far different from the laws of God...And yes while it is stated that you should follow the laws of your country(obviously not in the same wording but i rem it bein in some scripture), I personally believe the time we living in currently is so far away from what Gods laws to us were that it surly cant be a sin to follow the laws of a society and country that is mostly run by corruption and evil! And that goes for the whole world, not just SA!!!

WTF wrote:

You are mixing the laws of God and the laws of man.
"what does your heart tell you Anakin?"

Here lies the answer. Nice WTF!

hmmm, well my point is slightly different...

i'm a religious guy, I believe in God and Jesus, I also look into other religions and have no problems with them, maybe would say that doesn't make a me christian, most christians I meet spend more time pointing fingers at people that doing anything right.... there isn't a 'christian' walking on this planet that isn't full of sin and God states all sin is the same...

Bottom line as scripture states a sin is what a sin is to you... for instance if you go to a casino like me once every few years and chuck a few rand in the machine then gambling isnt a problem... if I have a problem and I throw my rent money into a machine then its a problem so dont do it...

so i think its the same with gear, if you feel its wrong dont do it... i don't feel it is so i do it... smoking is worse of a sin than juice if you ask me... that stuff really fscks you up and tell me how few 'christians' you know don't smoke the same goes with drinking so why would steroids be different... people do much worse things on booze than juice...

so i dont see it being wrong...

00pump wrote:

so i think its the same with gear, if you feel its wrong dont do it... i don't feel it is so i do it... smoking is worse of a sin than juice if you ask me... that stuff really fscks you up and tell me how few 'christians' you know don't smoke the same goes with drinking so why would steroids be different... people do much worse things on booze than juice...

so i dont see it being wrong...

You don't do it anymore.....LOL

don't remind me......

00pump wrote:

so i think its the same with gear, if you feel its wrong dont do it... i don't feel it is so i do it... smoking is worse of a sin than juice if you ask me... that stuff really fscks you up and tell me how few 'christians' you know don't smoke the same goes with drinking so why would steroids be different... people do much worse things on booze than juice...

so i dont see it being wrong...

As a Christian i also dont see that using steroids is wrong, however, again, the method one gets it, is what decides it for me. If you are getting it ILEGALLY, then a person is disobeying God and hence sinning! Heck, i get the stuff ilegally so i'm not gonna throw the first stone! Good points tho PUMP

You wont go to hell if you smoke.....but you sure will smell as if you been there !!! :laugh:

WTF wrote:

You wont go to hell if you smoke.....but you sure will smell as if you been there !!! :laugh:

:haha :haha

Wayne wrote:

acidkidsa wrote:

Well I am keeping out of this subject Wayne as I a Atheist and don't want to upset anyone.

You said "So today we live in this world as a test"

I will be Sustonon then

Unfortunately , everything in today's world can be abused . Whether you do or dont, depends on the type of person

lol, well Sustenon, I be supertest combo then...lol

I'm a trenbolone.
You can call me Tren

Is tren a test? Tren?

Wayne wrote:

Is tren a test? Tren?

Well...
It depends on, if by asking "Tren" if tren is a test, is a test itself. :woohoo:

great post happyraven. I have been thinking about the same issue for a while now

saiman wrote:

great post happyraven. I have been thinking about the same issue for a while now

always here to help... got any clarity on the issue now?