lean bulk

Pardon my ignorance, but what your definition of a lean bulk?

No fat or as little as possible. I'd say.

and as little water retention as possible

rock solid muscle.... growth as stated above with no fat and no bloat... what you put on you keep...

00pump wrote:

rock solid muscle.... growth as stated above with no fat and no bloa
t... what you put on you keep...

My next question.... What is ideal way to achieve that?

andre300 wrote:

00pump wrote:

rock solid muscle.... growth as stated above with no fat and no bloa
t... what you put on you keep...

My next question.... What is ideal way to achieve that?

By doing moderate intensity weight training with moderate cardio combined on a Low androgenic cycle (Anavar,winstrol,Eq,Boldenone,etc) and a bit of Test.And ofcourse a good clean diet.The trick to this is to start your cycle with the least amount of bodyfat possible.

tiny i disagree with moderate intensity weight training,high intensity weight training will cause more muscle growth in the long run when using an anabolic substance,train to failure with a heavy weight and u are going to force the muscle to grow with strength comes size... moderate to light cardio and very stict clean diet... if u are carb sensetive have more fats ,if u are not so carb sensetive then u can load the carbs.... using a long acting test with a good androgen will be world class...

Will long acting test not cause unwanted water?
djeasye wrote:

tiny
i disagree with moderate intensity weight training,high intensity weight training will cause more muscle growth in the long run when using an anabolic substance,train to failure with a heavy weight and u are going to force the muscle to grow with strength comes size... moderate to light cardio and very stict clean diet... if u are carb sensetive have more fats ,if u are not so carb sensetive then u can load the carbs.... using a long acting test with a good androgen will be world class...

water causes strength thats what u gotta realise, use arimidex on cycle if u are worried about water...

djeasye wrote:

tiny i disagree with moderate intensity weight training,high intensity weight training will cause more muscle growth in the long run when using an anabolic substance,train to failure with a heavy weight and u are going to force the muscle to grow with strength comes size... moderate to light cardio and very stict clean diet... if u are carb sensetive have more fats ,if u are not so carb sensetive then u can load the carbs.... using a long acting test with a good androgen will be world class...

Low androgens like Var and Winny on a cycle wont allow for heavy lifting because they dry the joints,even Testosterone drops the body's collagen production by around 80%,so on a cycle with var/winny and test you will have the brute strength of a gorilla with the tendons/ligaments and joints of a senior citizen.

agreed on the var and winny but i wouldnt use those for a lean bulk only the last few weeks of a cutting cycle... using masteron or equipoise will give u the desired lean bulk...

djeasye wrote:

tiny i disagree with moderate intensity weight training,high intensity weight training will cause more muscle growth in the long run when using an anabolic substance,train to failure with a heavy weight and u are going to force the muscle to grow with strength comes size

I just wanted to throw a spanner in the works here :ohmy:

How much is required for stimulation?

A muscle does not have to be driven into the ground balls to the wall with high volume in order to be “stimulated”. As little as one or two sets at an increased tension level above what your muscles are accustomed to can and will stimulate growth. That doesn't mean I recommend HIT training because that's not necessary either. But just as an illustration, if you don’t believe low volume can stimulate growth under the right circumstances, go jack yourself up on a chinup bar, start from the top, and with ONE arm only, lower yourself under control for 4-5 reps of single arm negatives. Use a stool to assist you going back up and then lower yourself with as much control as you can. Do just one set of that and come back in 2 days and tell me that high volume is necessary. Even one set of sub-maximal pushups can stimulate microtrauma and thus growth in a sedentary person. In contrast, it might take multiple sets with 400 pounds or more of bar weight in a bench press to stimulate growth in a veteran trainee. Loads should get heavier over time as your muscles ability to handle a given amount of tension improves.

Is failure necessary?

A muscle does not have to be trained to failure to be stimulated either. Microtrauma results from any increase in tension beyond what a muscle is fully adapted to. Failure and forced reps don’t do much, if anything extra for strength or size gains, yet they do create a lot of fatigue and prolong recovery time. How many 135 pound bench pressers have you seen doing forced reps with spotters saying, “It’s all you?” How many 400 pound plus bench pressers have you seen doing forced reps period?

How long does the growth stimulus last?

The chemical signals that “tell” a muscle to grow after it is damaged start to go away after about 48 hours. Therefore, optimal stimulation frequency for “size” gains precedes the full recovery of “strength”. People who pound a muscle into submission everytime they train and then wait a week before training again spend most of the time farting around waiting for full recovery to take place. They could be training more often so that their “growth signaling” mechanisms remain elevated more frequently.

ok tell that to guy shaffer and marius dohne... they train till failure but they are small so what do they know

Show me one proper pro body builder who doesn't employ, "training to failure"? From Arnold to Jay Cutler, one of my all time favourite BB's Dorian Yates was the big daddy of training to failure and that hailed in the new era of ultra conditioned super BB's!

Im not saying training to failure is a bad thing,but you can still stimulate muscle growth with moderate intensity.