help me

ive just started taking annapolin tablets(50mg) and taking one half 3 times daily..half morning,half lunch and half dinner...ive been advised to take milk thistle with it.750mg per day.i dunno ive im taking the right amount...also how long must i take this course for and what must i take after it.this is my first time and dont wanna stuff out.just wanna bulk and start to body build in the future.my diet is good..i take USN-GROW muscle fuel in the morning and evening plus all the necessary vitamins..can u please advise me..

How old are you. What your experiance etc. Whose the genius that advised you to take Anapolyn on its own?

Anapolan and USN Grow, that's the bad and the ugly. The good is that you came here for advice. Pls supply stats and we can advise from there and that 75mg p/d is really high bud, esp for your first time. Milk thistle is the best advice you have been given, but get cruciale or essentiale as well as your liver will need all the help it can get.

I just hope you're not 18 years old are 6 feet tall and weigh 62kg's,been training for 3 weeks and its your first cycle:unsure: :woohoo: :silly: You say you dont know if youre taking the right dosage and you dont know for how long?Are you sure you've got real Anapolon?I think in future you should ask questions first and only then decide what you're going to take ,MxT is right the person that told you to take this does'nt really know what he's talking about.But I'm not here to lecture you.Please give not only your age and experience(first cycle or not and how long you've been training)but also your weight and height.You're also going to need to get hold of some Clomid and Pregnyl(or Ovidrel)at the very least for PCT(these are very important if you want to hold on to some of
the gains made)

thanx for the response...im 22 years old...5.8 in height and 78kgs...thanx for the advice...really appreciate it...how much pregnl must i take afterwards...must i lower my dosage to 50mg...also must i leave out the USN-grow...?

ive been training for about 5 months now...ive got about 6-8% body fat...train 5 days a week...diet is good..what else can i do to bulk up. i wanna bulk to about 95kgs if possible..thankx for your time.

Champ, keep the usn grow bud, you have it so use it. I just think there are way better products out there, but that's just my opinion. Lower your daily dose to 50 mg p/d (one tab) and like Conan said, you sure it's real a-bombs? That dose and your weight you should be taking strain, you should be getting real strong and the sides should also be coming through around now. Use the clomid as your anti-e and Conan can advise on PCT. What have your gains been so far? Oh, yes, how long you been taking the tabs for?

thanx netro for ur response...im taking 750mg milk thistle every day.. is that enough? how much essential must i take with that?..how much must i lower my dosage(steriods) to?the reason i took tabs is because im nervous of needles but if i have to,i will.

One tab = 50mg, so just one per day and this rocket scientist that supplied you gave you the strongest oral with the most sides. I think you should return the favor with a running kick slap!
D-Bols would have been a much better suggestion and if you looking at gaining and keeping around 18kgs then you will have to inject. Just buy the way, Pregnyl you have to inject as well.

You can just follow the directions on the pack of the essenstiale or cruciale.

thanks again netro
i will lower my dosage to 50mg...yes im sure its the genuine stuff.must i take 1 tab morning or break it up in to half morning,half night?ive only been taking it for 3 days now...havent felt any results just yet...i will let u know as soon as it works..will keep in touch thanks very much...

If it was real you would be about 20% stronger and gaining o.5 - 1kg per day for the first couple of day/ weeks.

There is so much trash out there half the time its way under dosed or chalk.

Stick to Leukic bitchs!

Hey Champ yes split your dosage in half ( the half life of Anapolon is 8-9 hours)taken 2X/day.Now this drug can be very effective in size and strength gains but there is a flipside and that is that the 'crash' at the end of an A-bomb only cycle is from my experience - Massive!There are however ways to avoid this,firstly your PCT has to be comprehensive (including Pregnyl Clomid and Kessar) also the way the A-bomb's are used is very important.The system of dosing I am talking about is called PULSE CYCLING and here are some of the approaches to this protocol

1)EOD dosing
or
2)2 days on/2 days off
or
3)2 weeks on(Wed+Sun off)/2 weeks off

The theory behind it goes something like this.Basically, if you dose every day (ED) in perfectly spaced doses, you will achieve 100% effect, 100% short term side effects, and 100% long term side effects. If you dose every other day (EOD) like the pulse protocol, you still get about 60% effect and 75% short term sides, but only about 40% of the long term sides. That's not a bad trade off and very economical on the body and as well as the wallet! Now with the first two examples you would still need a PCT,but the 3rd example seems to be more attractive as PCT would only be short due to the short cycle not affecting the HTPAxis that badly here is an example

Week

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Anapolon

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Clomid

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Kessar

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DHEA
1

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50mg/Day(Wed+Sun off)
2

---

50mg/Day(Wed+Sun off)
3

---

50mg/Day

---

50mg/Day
4

---

20mg/Day

---

50mg/Day
5

---

50mg/Day(Wed+Sun off)
6

---

50mg/Day(Wed+Sun off)
7

---

50mg/Day

---

50mg/Day
8

---

20mg/Day

---

50mg/Day

The DHEA taken on days off really seems to help with maintaining gains.(You could add Pregnyl if you wanted) I have found this protocol to be just as effective,relatively side free and safer than just using the A-bombs for 4-6 weeks straight plus you need much less PCT drugs and the end result is(from a strength and size point of view)is almost the same but recovery taking a lot less time and you avoid the massive crash at the end of the cycle!I hope this helps you

Conan ,

Looks intresting man , I have a friend , Huge guy that uses it 3 days a week. On legs , Back , and Chest days . Baiscally a 1 -2 day split between them . He uses this method through a blits 6 week cycle bridges with slin and gh for 3 weeks and then hits it again. What you think of that?

Also if our friend champ here hasnt seen any effect at 75mg after 3 days its safe to say they bogus?! Ive herd guys taking 3 - 4 tabs of certain brands with a 1kg gain in a week off anadrol? Ive seens guys take Androlics from BD ( 100tabs with the silver top) in a week gain 6kgs , nose bleeds, head aches, flu , strong as an ox! So there is a lot to be said about orals circulating around. Even when you think they are real they are sometimes not. Its and underground market with 80% of it coming out of China. Ive seen fake product and the real deal put them next to each other and you cant tell. The only way you can tell is through effect. This is obvious in the case of Anadrol , d-bol , but if your using orals like stanazol , anavar ect its a tough call. Also becuase you normally not running them by themselves...

We need to have an orals apporved list here.

Kevin that 3 day a week cycle with slin and GH as a bridge that your friend uses is actually one type of pulse cycle and is effective,I suppose the results your friend gets will be the acid test.I used anapolon for powerlifting and when taken everyday for 4-6 weeks the crash that comes after +/-3 weeks of stopping the drug was so bad I would loose almost all the size and strength gained in literally 2 days and using the pulse method helped me to avoid this problem(pulse cycling steroids was copied from corticosteroid pulsing techniques used in kids in the late 80's)and I have always believed that GH and slin are the best for bridging(if you are trying to recover post cycle using D/bol or Anavar in small doses in the morning will only delay recovery more - slin and GH sre not involved in this mechanism directly)I think your friend's cycle should give some decent results.

I also agree fully with what you say about whether or not you are getting real or fake orals and even injectables - I have seen fake injectables copied so well you would have to test the product in a lab to see if its fake- I also here more and more that underdosing by these underground labs is commonplace as the raw materials get harder and harder to come by.

No he uses the Anadrol during the cycle in a 3 per week fashion and the GH and slin to bridge with. Well actually mainly the slin.Sorry wasnt clear there. I type these things as fast as I can during a meal. Sometimes I come back and check them and im shocked at the grammer and spelling :blush:

like this but he's using other anabolics as well during the 6 weeks then only uses slin and GH as a bridge?


Week

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Anapolon

---

Insulin

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HGH
1

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50mg(Mo,We,Fr)
2

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50mg(Mo,We,Fr)
3

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50mg(Mo,We,Fr)
4

---

50mg(Mo,We,Fr)
5

---

50mg(Mo,We,Fr)
6

---

50mg(Mo,We,Fr)
7

---

?iu's/D

---

?iu's/D
8

---

?iu's/D

---

?iu's/D
9

---

?iu's/D

---

?iu's/D

Then starts again?

Week 1-6
200mg Test Prop EOD
75mg Trenbolan acetate EOD
Anadrol 50mg MO , WE , FR
4IU GH split Am and post
T3 x 50-75mcg per day

Week 6 -9
12 IU Humalog / Actrapid post work out
8IU GH Split
1500IU pregnly every 3rd day first 2 weeks
20mg Kessar
50mg Clomid

Week 10 No Training .

Repeat.

It changes from time to time. But generally sticking to short acting esters for the 6 week period.

Whats your thoughts on that?

Im thinkig its dangerous putting that kinda info on the same thread as our friend with the anapolyn issue- I recon hel chow anything...

Kevin I think that cycle looks great - short esters allowing almost instant PCT and like I said earlier slin and GH as a bridge means your friend wont loose much during those 3 weeks (might even carry on making gains)Also using the Anapolon like that he will avoid the big crash and is easier on the liver,I would be very interested to see how he does on this cycle!

Kev, your friend might consider protecting his pancreas function after his 21 days of insulin use. I would suggest a course of 3-4 weeks(including week 10 + week 1-2, maybe week 3 too) of the following:
Metformin 500 mg twice daily - if he becomes hypoglycaemic, cut down to 250mg twice daily. Add in either pio-glitazone 7,5 mg p day or Glamaryl 1mg daily - the latter two are taken every other day(either or - not both!). This course of your friend's is hopefully for bulking - so, keep the calories high.

The above suggestions are for the serious, seasoned b/builder that knows how to use T3 + Insulin + HGH. The metformin/Glamaryl is part of pancreas PCT post-insulin use.

Hey Doc, you back, sweeet. Nice to see you here again Bro

yay the good ol doc is back,where u been doc,we been missing ur words of wisdom on the forum

Been readin' ! The wife kakked me out and said I should stop reading and come back....
Mark Stent and me are working on some stuff for ME Mag. I still have about 200+ studies on HCG to read through - some really interesting shit I came across. Working on a met-analysis on these studies - will bring it to the Board when I have it ready.

Have a nice liver story for ya guys! Will bring it to the Board next week.

Conan, get my nr from Admin - we must talk some time...

Love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation .........:laugh: