Steroids are no wonder drugs

I will like you’re views on the following just so that I can be sure that I am not the only one thinking in this way.
A lot of people at the gym are under the idea that taking roids in the first two to three cycle will transform that in to Mr. Olympia. I try to help people where I can when they ask for help at the gym, but there expectations are too big and if that don’t look like Jay Cutler after their cycle’s they are disappointed.
I have been training fulltime now for four year and been doing on and off cycles for about two and a half year now ,to date I have done six cycle’s and only now my body has started taking the shape of a body builder and I am still far from where I would like to be.
Do you guys’ thing that people expect to must to fast from steroids????

99% of people have not idea what they talking about and what goes into training.

What they read in the news papers and TV is all they know.

The reckon you inject and its easy as pie..

I said it before , its always the people that are fat and out of shape that have all the answers and advice. They know more than you . (even after your years of training)

They have no fucken idea.

expecting too much from juice? ever heard a guy say to you i dont wanna go to gym cause i dont want to get too huge? PPL THINK its easy and quick . Well it aint but juice does help

Juice does help, but it stays a long and slow prosses

I have to disagree juice is a wonder drug i have a friend he does not really gym but every now and again he goes on juice and his transformation is amazing within weeks he looks like he has been bodybuilding his whole life ......ja i agree to keep that gains is near impossible but to see what juice does can only be called out of this world

With in weeks = water rention

The only wonder is why does he only look good while on it and not off it???

He is clearly doing something wrong dude?

lol he does not train at all only trains when he is on juice maybe twice a year ......he a skinny shit guess you see quick results when you dont have much body fat

Well now.... thats just stupid

ja i agree but come on we all have to agree there is nohing like juice its a wonder drug.....sure if you wanna keep gains and look great long term there is a exact science to it eating right,pct and train,train,train but for short term there is nothing like it

Hmmm nope no wonder drug dude,.

If I injected it and woke up looking like the hulk , then maybe , but thinking someone looks good because they they have water retention, is not the right way of looking at it.

hmmm ja water retention true what about strong as a ox feeling great,generally feeling like you a teenager its a wonder drug dont try and say its not cause if its not why the heck are we here talking about it non stop.We hooked totally we cant wait for our next fix and that goes for most of us here .....lol face it

Next fix? Dont know if that the correct term.

Yeah it makes you strong , so do some suppliments. So does eating right.

I still would never say its a wonder drug.
A tool to aid you in your training maybe.

I think trianing once a year to look good for a short peroid i
of time is a waste and a good example of abusing the drug ( not eating right , PCT and so on)

Sounds like he is prob using Dbol.

ok take that next fix back lol but to a degree one can get hooked on it

I think this is why teens at school end up taking juice at such a young age.

They hear people say "wonder drug" "few weeks" " big" "strong"

Hope you are straining and not training once a year!

i been training for about 10 years now and only started taking juice late last year and was amazed at the results ....thats how i can say training on juice and training off juice ...(light years apart) results as well

I agree with gert.
Some guys expect to add 10 - 15kg of muscle after their 1st or 2nd cycle.
And when you tell somebody it's all about the diet especially if you on juice then they look at you funny (you know the look that they thinking, 'this guys hasn't got a clue').
How many times do you read on forums that young guys 18 - 25 want to take juice & the advice for the older guys is always the same, fix your diet, no need for juice and how many do you think listen ?
I've never competed but train with a few guys that do, the dedication and focus they have - not many people understand what it takes.

Yes, roids do help and will give you the size, what may people dont understand is that your Post Course cycle, is actually MORE important than the cycle itself, so that you can keep as much of the results as possible!
Dianabol alone would give you an extra 6Kg's in just 4 weeks, but then???? You will lose it all!
Using the right steroid for the right results is very important!
A body can only put on about 4-5kgs of lean mass naturally a year (i think).. Which is not enough for most people, as they want more and more!
Mixing Insulin and HGH can make you look like the hulk in a matter of weeks... But the side effects.. yeah, thats for another whole topic!
Steroids are meant as performance enhancers, and one should not reply on them alone to get big, but a combination of things (diet, rest, training etc)

You right...

And whats worse is that people think the more they take the bigger they get... So you have these guys with severe acne and bloated as hell I feel like sticking a pin in them and watching them deflate.

Only after years of using gear arround 8 years to be exact have I learnt small doses do the trick for me. Small doses, and a solid state diet, and genetics just fall away

The thing as all of you will know... you can't tell anyone anything, they don't want to listen... if they hear use 1 gram test, thats it to change their thoughts are nearlly impossible. But I have seem relationships and familys fall apart from people using gear and not being in control.

Yes, the dedicated few, don't drink, don't consume other toxins but take a bit of gear. but the time bombs like a few of my friends who work for elite bouncers take serious ammounts of gear and stack that with cocain, the combonation is just scary!!! I cringe when I think of what half these people do to others, they a walking time bomb.

Anyway, i'm rambing off in some weird direction.

Note to new users, find somebody you can trust, not just a juice junkie, because steroid use and abuse are two different things. even though a guy might be crazy in size doesn't mean he is healthy... do your own research understand as much as you can, do regular blood tests / urine tests, monitor creatine levels in the kidneys, and rule of thumb that most people laugh off, CONSUME HUGE AMMOUNTS OF WATER... AAS raises creatine levels and you will develop a leak in your kideneys if you do not watch out.

I can tell you right now, diet and HARD training can over come even your genetics.
Yes genetics do play a big part but if you stubborn and nail that workout every time you walk into that gym, then you can over come... it will just take a little longer

I have heard time and time again at gym about guys wanting to go on juice and asking me what they should take. I tell them to get a diet, stick to it for at least three months, then report back to me.
Once they have done that I congratulate them on establishing an eating habit... then I say now your nearly ready to use some gear... in about two years or so.haha!

HAHA!

Thats funny! And you 1000000% right... And how many of those guys are youngsters, I remeber a FLEX Mag from around 2003 that said you have no buisiness doing juice until you 23. And its simple do blood tests and you will show yourself you will notice Test (total) of around 28 nmom/L and SEX Hor. Binding globulin right up at 55 nmol/l and their free test index which would also be high and come in at a cal of 0.71 nmol/l.

so why would you need to use gear, ok i'm one to talk as I wish I knew this when I started but I started to young.

also, tell me what is more anabolic than protein so eat eat eat!!!!!!!! I have seen numbers of people that have used gear for years and never pick up a kg but land up harming their body and wonder what they doing wrong... and either they not training like an animal or they not eating like one!

I can go up or down 6/8 kgs in a matter of a 3/4 weeks.. yes its not the healthiest slide but once you know diet and what works for you, every thing you pickup in the shop you calculating things in your head.... hahaha.. its so funny, and now my girlfrield has become a health freak too and will be competing in body beautiful. its amazing once you understand calories how you cant eat something without feeeling guilty if you trying to cut down or build lean body mass.

but as you said, no point in using gear until you have trained properly for atleast 4 years an understand your body inside out...