Blood work Questions

Hey guys,

I would like to get my blood work tested. I'm not sure what all to ask them for. I would like to see if I've recovered from my previous cycles and my most recent Rad140 and Ostarine cycle.

I'm probably going to go to Lancet

Could you guys please assist me with what exactly to ask them to test?

Do I just ask them to check my test levels? Is there anything else I should check?

Thanks in advance

well if you have finished a cycle and wondering if you have bounced back then you would need to get your test levels checked out, have you had previous bloods where you have checked test levels? that would be a good way to check if you have bounced back or not.

flood blood count is first on the list
e2
ast/lst
kidney function
if you are getting older and gaining unwanted body fat a full thyroid panel wont hurt either.
fasted insulin and glucose is another one.

it is all dependent on your budget as bloods can run into the 1000s

This is the goodies i tested. If i remember correctly then Oupa and Admin supplied this info:

Potasuim
Red blood cells
Electrolytes
Lft
Total test
Estrogen
Kidneys
Full blood count and platelets
Tumur
S-progessterone
S-prolactin
Thyroid
Glucose
Cholesterol

I made sure i tested all this. Pretty expensive but dont take chances with tour health.

Spazzz wrote: If i remember correctly then Oupa and Admin supplied this info:

Not me

The above is so damn expensive and so unnecessary. Example for your liver most will tell you to test Bilirubin which is a strong indicator of liver damage linked to red blood cells. But the way I see it nobody with real liver problems would ever think they have liver problems, you damn well know. rather use the R175 and buy a bottle of Esentiale Extreme. Below what I recommend:

Free Test
Estradiol
Kidneys- BUN and Creatinine (For Tren or when you used lots of orals)
Free T4 (If you used Tren or T3 or T4 or something that affects your thyroid)
Total Cholesterol (if prone to high cholesterol)
Zinc (if you don't supplement)


Be sure to give 12 weeks after PCT before testing. There tests are basically like a litmus test to identify problem areas and once identified you know where to test further if necessary.

Hey guys,

Please have a look. I have no idea if I am shut down or good? I'd be interested to hear your views.

Do you know what you were before? How old are you?

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Do you know what you were before? How old are you?

No I have no idea what I was before. I know I should have checked but I unfortunately didn't.

I am 37

You should be +-:
Total T 23.1
Free T 356
SHBG 40.1
Estradiol or E2 134

Rough guide though.

If I was you run a PCT 2 or 3 and keep natural for a few months after that and then get bloods again focus on heavy compound lifts but do not sacrifice form.

You can also get DAA take 3-3.2g every night before bed 1hour after eating a meal or drinking a shake

Shut down big time.

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

@admin @pump00 @admin etc, what are your "opinions" if you don't mind? I know I am shut down but is a PCT the answer? Will it really help or have I maybe damaged myself?

I know you guy's can't give medical advise but I'm just keen to hear what your thoughts and possible solutions might be. I am seeing a specialist physician in a few weeks so will also give feedback for others to see if they are ever in the same situation, just interested in your views.

I don't feel particularly different. Definitely down on strength but aside from that I feel pretty decent and normal.

I have yet to meet someone it never helped. I abused steroids for 16 years and never thought in any possible shape or form I would be able to have a child. My PCT was a little more intense 500iu hCG ed for 20 days, but following the rest of the PCT 3 protocol. I also included vitamin e, longifolia and Saminogro. I also pushed the Nolva for an extra 30 days at the end.

00pump wrote: I have yet to meet someone it never helped. I abused steroids for 16 years and never thought in any possible shape or form I would be able to have a child. My PCT was a little more intense 500iu hCG ed for 20 days, but following the rest of the PCT 3 protocol. I also included vitamin e, longifolia and Saminogro. I also pushed the Nolva for an extra 30 days at the end.

Thanks so much for the input pump. Really appreciate it

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

I would do this:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wait at least 45 days then bloodwork.

Pyroclasm wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

I would do this:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wait at least 45 days then bloodwork.

Thanks for the advice bud. I also have aromasin on hand so would you add it?

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

I would do this:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wait at least 45 days then bloodwork.

Thanks for the advice bud. I also have aromasin on hand so would you add it?

You can't run hCG and Nolvadex together without Aromasin, the hCG will just shut you down and push your estrogen through the roof.

My advice would be, PCT 3 with longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro. If you need to you can extend the Nolva for another 2 to 3 months, including the longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro.

00pump wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

I would do this:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wait at least 45 days then bloodwork.

Thanks for the advice bud. I also have aromasin on hand so would you add it?

You can't run hCG and Nolvadex together without Aromasin, the hCG will just shut you down and push your estrogen through the roof.

My advice would be, PCT 3 with longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro. If you need to you can extend the Nolva for another 2 to 3 months, including the longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro.

What I'm advising is what Doctori advised to me when I wanted a child. So it's from a MD's mouth and it worked.

00pump wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

I would do this:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wait at least 45 days then bloodwork.

Thanks for the advice bud. I also have aromasin on hand so would you add it?

You can't run hCG and Nolvadex together without Aromasin, the hCG will just shut you down and push your estrogen through the roof.

My advice would be, PCT 3 with longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro. If you need to you can extend the Nolva for another 2 to 3 months, including the longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro.

I'm trying to understand here. Why would Nolva and HCG together shut you down and push estrogen high? We use Nolva and HCG together in PCT 2. Please clarify the science?

Pyroclasm wrote:

00pump wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

ninjajuice wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Shut down big time.

Do you think PCT 3 as Rooi Bul said will help?

I would do this:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wait at least 45 days then bloodwork.

Thanks for the advice bud. I also have aromasin on hand so would you add it?

You can't run hCG and Nolvadex together without Aromasin, the hCG will just shut you down and push your estrogen through the roof.

My advice would be, PCT 3 with longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro. If you need to you can extend the Nolva for another 2 to 3 months, including the longifolia jack, vitamin E and staminogro.

I'm trying to understand here. Why would Nolva and HCG together shut you down and push estrogen high? We use Nolva and HCG together in PCT 2. Please clarify the science?

I don't agree on PCT 2. There is enough public information on why using the two is a bad idea, I'm not going to go scratch for it and repost it. And remember when you advise something, either have facts it works or make sure you have done it yourself, you can't just throw days and dosage. 60 days of Clomid? We are not in the 90s, then you go and take hCG is the second phase the same length as the Nolva. hCG shuts down lh, you don't run hCG through PCT without Aromasin. And to add you don't run hCG if your testes are not atrophied.

This below is bad advice:
60 days Clomid 50mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D
Then
30 Days Nolva 20mg ED
28 days HCG 500iu E3D

Wow okay quite direct there no sugar coating. I would say I have tested it on myself and often with success but that is not fact that is speculation. This is purely advice based on my experiences, as I haven't found any studies where an exact PCT similar to Ninja's situation is proven to be greatly successful. I will make sure I have my facts before giving dangerous advice which is why I ask you to clarify. It seems the site has done it wrong for years and nobody noticed so please do take 5 mins to gather the information and share with us. The refute to the claim is using HCG and Nolva together and without Aromasin will shoot estrogen through the roof and shut you down. You need to substantiate this.

Pyroclasm wrote: Wow okay quite direct there no sugar coating. I would say I have tested it on myself and often with success but that is not fact that is speculation. This is purely advice based on my experiences, as I haven't found any studies where an exact PCT similar to Ninja's situation is proven to be greatly successful. I will make sure I have my facts before giving dangerous advice which is why I ask you to clarify. It seems the site has done it wrong for years and nobody noticed so please do take 5 mins to gather the information and share with us. The refute to the claim is using HCG and Nolva together and without Aromasin will shoot estrogen through the roof and shut you down. You need to substantiate this.

Nolva / Clomid is only a receptor blocker, it does not prevent estrogen from increasing or lh dropping with regards to HCG use.

Pubmed of increase estrogen / progesterone with HCG: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4363154

The 60 days of Clomid is oldschool but would work, but in the second phase of suggestion is to re-introduce hCG without testicular atrophy for the duration of the Nolva would not help in recovery at all. If the protocol was phase 1 hCG / Clomid and then phase 2 Nolva only that would work.

Here is more information regarding the effects of CC as an agonist / antagonist towards estrogen.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20379036

There is so much more data available.. If I get some time I will dig it up

The top study was done in 1974 on menstruating rhesus monkeys which is hardly relevant to hypogonadal healthy male humans. The second study is good it confirms what we know but not really relevant to this discussion.