William Llewellyn's Underground Anabolics

William Llewellyn's Underground Anabolics contains an interview with an underground chemist. One question he asks is: "What about the more expensive steroids, like trenbolone and methenolone. Do you think they are easy steroids to find on the black market? Are they often substituted for cheaper steroids?" His response: "Methenolone and trenbolone are mostly replaced by nandrolone. My experience is that mostly even boldenone gets substituted by nandrolone as well." This book was published in 2010. My question is this still likely the situation with UG labs, ie substituting more expensive compounds with nandrolone?

My 2c

Yes it happens everyday, they even give female users dbols and tell them its anavar. We see this daily.

Men, well.... novice users inject anything that looks like a steroid vial with oil and a sticker on. I had a 65 year old male phone me today with a massive abscess because of home kitchen cooked shit he used.

Use a trusted source and supplier and you don't have to worry about injecting lawnmower oil in your ass.

As for the females, be careful, watch those "female parts" and monitor them very carefully. You don't want to end up looking like a character from planet of the apes.

Oupa wrote: My 2c

Yes it happens everyday, they even give female users dbols and tell them its anavar. We see this daily.

Men, well.... novice users inject anything that looks like a steroid vial with oil and a sticker on. I had a 65 year old male phone me today with a massive abscess because of home kitchen cooked shit he used.

Use a trusted source and supplier and you don't have to worry about injecting lawnmower oil in your ass.

As for the females, be careful, watch those "female parts" and monitor them very carefully. You don't want to end up looking like a character from planet of the apes.

So provided you use well known and trusted UG labs products, you should be fine and can rest assure that they are more than likely not substituting one compound for another?

For instance, the two main UG lab brands which are often highly recommended on this forum - they wouldn't substitute compounds, would they?

@psy, judge the supplier. If he is selling to you, and he's three down the line from the lab, he may not even know what's up. If you are buying from someone who is directly fed from the UG lab, I doubt you should worry about it.

I've heard of masteron prop/enan subbed with test prop/enan. Not the examples above. I thinks a dick move.

Edit: Referring to the brands you're thinking about hey. I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and try starke and axio, but I know there is a chance of fakes, underdosing, and substituting because of the supplier and his knowledge. Not taking a shot at axio or starke NB brah!

Furk wrote: @psy, judge the supplier. If he is selling to you, and he's three down the line from the lab, he may not even know what's up. If you are buying from someone who is directly fed from the UG lab, I doubt you should worry about it.

I've heard of masteron prop/enan subbed with test prop/enan. Not the examples above. I thinks a dick move.

Edit: Referring to the brands you're thinking about hey. I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and try starke and axio, but I know there is a chance of fakes, underdosing, and substituting because of the supplier and his knowledge. Not taking a shot at axio or starke NB brah!

So the substitution will more than likely take place on the dealer level as opposed to the UG lab level?

So provided I were to get PGW and LP from a source I trust, I should be good and not have to worry?

PsyCLown wrote: So the substitution will more than likely take place on the dealer level as opposed to the UG lab level?

So provided I were to get PGW and LP from a source I trust, I should be good and not have to worry?

No, that's why I added the edit section. Sorry if I wasn't clear mate. For LP and PGW: they are reputable, many back them with testimonies, I haven't heard of fakes of them. Therefore, because I trust my source, I trust my product. My supplier didn't put the oil in the vial, he put the vial in my hands. I am relying on his stock to guide me which brands to be confident in.

Now UG Lab X is stocking Chemical-A Enanthate. They put the oil in the vials, they know Chemical-B vis much cheaper and kind of resembles Chemical-A, so they label Chemical-B Enanthate as Chemical-A. This second grocer I've got says he has UG Lab X Chemical-A Enanthate in stock, and he trusts his source. Okay but who the fuck is my grocers source? And how good is his judgement/ relationship with UG Lab X? He might not know UG Lab X is mislabelling.

Apologies for the long winded tale, but that's how I approach it. Plus I get real life feedback from people plus all these fellas on the forums here, because they know what the fuck they are talking about.

I think if someone can make money off of someone else's ignorance there's a good chance they will.

Fellas, I got some negative karma on another thread because I pushed a subject, so just be aware:

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Just in case this discussion get's taken too far. Psy I hope I explained myself properly this time.

Read this in Mick Hart's Layman's Guide To Steroids 3. Adds to what Llewellyn wrote.

"Unfortunately the counterfeiters have gone from strength to strength and even better with their copying technology. Now this may seem strange to say but there are some counterfeiters that have realized that putting absolute f**k all in their products at one time was the way to go; it was cheaper to produce, profits were better but in the long run word got around so fast that eventually no one would go near their products - thankfully. So they decided that if they were going to counterfeit then it was best to at least put something in that was at the very least minimally anabolic and that is what has happened these last few OK it is still bad for us if we cannot find the good gear but at least a deca instead of what should be a heavy test for example is better than nothing at all or even peanut oil which could be fatal for those allergic to any kind of nut product. The other alternative is usually a propionate that takes the place of many test cypionates or branded decas for other examples"