Young Pro's

So a young pro like dallas mcaver who was on the olympia stage for the first time although he brought an impressive package to the stage just doesnt have the sheer size which is understanable he hasnt been at it as long the guys he was standing next to.

My question is for someone like that to make improvements year in and year out to get to a more competitive size would he ever come off in his pro career while he is trying to move up the ranks?

Without going into dosages does anyone have any knowledge how they would structure the steroid side of things for a young pro like dallas wanting to obviously win the O one day?

Insulin and hGH will cause more size, will it provide the quality of the muscle that others have more years of training and a more conditioned look, no.

Thanks pump ask purely for discussion purposes and interest sake into what the elite get up too. realise its a different ball game at their level with a lot more at stake I suppose it validates the lengths they go to.

lobo wrote: ...would he ever come off in his pro career while he is trying to move up the ranks?

You mean would he ever cycle off steroids, right? My *educated* guess is probably not. But I'm also intrigued.


But you have to applaud the guy. Sincerely, at his age with such a physique, for sure he stands a chance in the future. Before the Olympia I read his name somewhere and I looked him up, I thought he would place better than he did. Serious, Cedric and MacCarver need to be applauded, and Roelly Winklar and Branch Warren asked if they are stretching things out a bit far.

I enjoyed his videos on MD running up to the O he had some interesting training views and ideas he was trying out. As you say looked great for how young he is will most definitely be up there in the future but goes to show how long it takes to achieve the physics some of those seasoned guys have. Would love to know what his plan going forward to reach that level anabolics wise would be must have someone of likes of chris Aceto telling him what and when to take what. ja I cant see time on time off approach getting him where he wants to go. Should be interesting tho to see the improvements he makes in the years to come.

When you have the genetics some of these guys have you don't need to stay on loads of gear year round to continue making good gains every year. Your body needs time off and giving your receptors time to recover I believe is better for gains in the long term. But luckily there are lots of peptides to choose from when one is off the heavy artillery. Sure, many will never come off at least an HRT dose, but not all don't take breaks.

Look at Lee Priest (if you believe him). When he was done with his contests he would stop all drugs until his next prep and just eat a shit ton of food, then get back on the gear a few months pre contest. Some guys even stop training completely for a couple of months like Levrone did. BPak took 2 months off training before his one IFBB show's contest prep where he got 2nd. Different stroke for different folks.

Lee Priest bulked dirty as a stable trough, geez he got fat in the off season. Check him now, huffing and puffing all the time. *whistle whistle*

Interesting about Levrone and Pakulski. I can't stand still and not training being a non athlete, can't imagine how those guys can.

Ye like MA said a lot will drop down to a TRT dose post comp for a couple of months but very few ever come off completely.

Thanks MA informative post well put. I remember seeing that video of lee's when he spoke about how little the guys used in his day I enjoy the Q & A's he does with the camera man, he's quiet a character. As you say different ways to go about it depending on the person Im still figuring out the correct balance of all the elements to make progress each year.

Blik$3m, I just looked him up now ..... he is now only 21 years old ? :-o

Dallas is 24, he got his pro card when he was 21 back in 2012.

The youngest IFBB Pro at the moment is Cody Montgomery, he is 21.
This guy has won every show that he has entered...

Through Jay I've met a few pros, some of them have spoken to me about their usage. The guys I know (not saying this is the case for everyone) drop down to over a gram of testosterone and over a gram of tren per week along with one or two other compounds and the usual peptides for a few weeks after competition. Then they go harder on off season drugs and then pump themselves full of stuff precontest.

What I have heard though is that the guys get like a full biopsy done and thru that they know exactly what works for them, so then there is no need for extreme dosage. But what I do know for a fact is that Dallas does take ALLOT of GH..... As MOST of the pro's.

Hormonas wrote: Through Jay I've met a few pros, some of them have spoken to me about their usage. The guys I know (not saying this is the case for everyone) drop down to over a gram of testosterone and over a gram of tren per week along with one or two other compounds and the usual peptides for a few weeks after competition. Then they go harder on off season drugs and then pump themselves full of stuff precontest.

Sjoe, this sounds like a Hollywood story. They really live a different lifestyle. They must also have access to good doctors who support them.

BeastGP wrote: What I have heard though is that the guys get like a full biopsy done and thru that they know exactly what works for them, so then there is no need for extreme dosage.

Not trying to sound big-headed here, but I think you have mistaken terms. A biopsy is a removal of tissue to examine it for certain conditions. Yeah they can do a muscle biopsy but that's mostly for cancer or myopathy. Not sure maybe you are referring to a CT scan brah?

Also, organ dependant biopsies can be regarded as small-surgeries, incision procedures, or contemporary often like a sophisticated syringe extraction. So they are really expensive. Had lumbar puncture done myself, no way would pro's afford to spend that cash on the procedure never mind the pain and recovery.

Maybe biopsy is the wrong word, not to sure...

I know of rugby players over seas that even get this done, they take samples of everything,
blood, stem cells, skin, hair, pis, crap.... the works. Then they get everything tested to see what chemicals would be of optimal use for your genetic make-up.

I had stem cells removed thru bone marrow about 2 years aback. And they ran tests and could identify that one particular type of antibiotics would be of optimal use.

BeastGP wrote: Maybe biopsy is the wrong word, not to sure...

I know of rugby players over seas that even get this done, they take samples of everything,
blood, stem cells, skin, hair, pis, crap.... the works. Then they get everything tested to see what chemicals would be of optimal use for your genetic make-up.

I had stem cells removed thru bone marrow about 2 years aback. And they ran tests and could identify that one particular type of antibiotics would be of optimal use.

There is a doctor in Pretoria that does this. I don't have his name unfortunately. A friend of mine's husband went, and they take siliva, urine, blood, hair, skin, tissue samples, and from that can tell you:

How many times a day to eat (for your body type),
what times to eat,
what to eat,
etc.

He was very very tired - went for these tests, and after they changed his diet, he got his energy back.

Maybe they take this to the next level, to see what steroids suit you best ? I don't know

@Colt,that sounds awfully a lot like DNA testing. Like dnafit.com and mtlfitness.com

Seriously considered doing it in the past, too make sutra what what I think about myself is true, and find out things I'm missing. It is ungodly expensive though.

If I ever do try it I'll post results up. Maybe first paycheck of the new year.
2017.