Hand gun

Took about 8 weeks for my license to be ready for pick up at the popo.

Got the glock 22 but would rather take the glock 19, considering the price of 9mm ammo compared to the S&W 22 bullets.

Just make sure to add everything even crime stats in your area.

Its definitely a must have these days.

i have three handguns, and a place for all three

my first one is the vector SP1 General model, LOVE this 9mm
second one is a walther 6.35, you carry it in your pocket
third, cz po7

the po7 is awesome and I would recommend it....

The vektor CP1 looked like a toy gun. Dit was nou n stukkie kak om mee te skiet.

Oupa wrote: The vektor CP1 looked like a toy gun. Dit was nou n stukkie kak om mee te skiet.

I even think there was a factory recall on the CP1 - def. plastic kak!!!

But the SP1 is solid as a rock.
They're basically a Z88 with a closed slide and the Z88 is basically a Beretta.
Although, you need a fair sized pair of meat hooks to handle it well, its got some chunky grips.

I don't even want to know what the cost would be but what about the H&K VP9

Have always had a soft spot for H&K after having a few shots with an MP5. :evil:

Oupa wrote: The vektor CP1 looked like a toy gun. Dit was nou n stukkie kak om mee te skiet.

CP1 is kak, het al met een geskiet en ek sal niemand aanraai om een te koop nie

Oupiel wrote:

Oupa wrote: The vektor CP1 looked like a toy gun. Dit was nou n stukkie kak om mee te skiet.

I even think there was a factory recall on the CP1 - def. plastic kak!!!

But the SP1 is solid as a rock.
They're basically a Z88 with a closed slide and the Z88 is basically a Beretta.
Although, you need a fair sized pair of meat hooks to handle it well, its got some chunky grips.

the sp1 is solid but a bit bulky - and a bit of a chunky grip!
the sp1 "Generals Model" is a perfect carry size and fokken accurate, it also takes 16 rounds

Francois13 wrote: i have three handguns, and a place for all three

my first one is the vector SP1 General model, LOVE this 9mm
second one is a walther 6.35, you carry it in your pocket
third, cz po7

the po7 is awesome and I would recommend it....

What license do you have for the 3 handguns?

Another vote for Glock(19) here.

Still running a Gen2 and carry every day with two extra +2shoe mags, and dont feel like its cumbersome or printing.

I find glocks to be far from the prettiest guns, but they work well and you can get spares/mods/toys for them just about anywhere now days.
I found that I tend to pull a bit left with the poly frame compared to metal, but you just have to practice it away.

Its great to just go and finger-bang as many different firearms as possible, then see what suits your taste, feel, and budget.

VXM wrote: I found that I tend to pull a bit left with the poly frame compared to metal, but you just have to practice it away.

Have a look at your trigger control, shooting left is usually an indication of the trigger finger not being far enough over the trigger.

l1qu1d wrote:

VXM wrote: I found that I tend to pull a bit left with the poly frame compared to metal, but you just have to practice it away.

Have a look at your trigger control, shooting left is usually an indication of the trigger finger not being far enough over the trigger.

It was more that I was jerking and trying to run the gun too fast. Slowed down, waited for a clean break and then slowley sped up as I got used to the gun. Back on target now though :evil:

l1qu1d wrote:

Francois13 wrote: i have three handguns, and a place for all three

my first one is the vector SP1 General model, LOVE this 9mm
second one is a walther 6.35, you carry it in your pocket
third, cz po7

the po7 is awesome and I would recommend it....

What license do you have for the 3 handguns?

i did my dedicated license...
applying for my fourth handgun now, also have three rifles on my name, looking at buying a shotgun soon and also getting that on my name

Another vote for the G19.
When it came down to the wire I chose it over the Po75 due to the simple design and the internal firing pin.
I have had mine for 3 years now and have the gen 3. I carry mine everywhere I go and it's small enough to conceal in all situations. I have literally been searched and no one has picked it up yet.
I feel more comfy having 15 rounds in the clip than 7. I use the standard clip while carrying , found the plus 2 just pokes me a little too much. I keep one of those in the cubby hole :silly:

As far as ammo is concerned that's a never ending debate, I have chosen to carry the Federal HST 124 grain. I have cycled 2 clips and haven't had an issue. I have had a look at numerous videos on YouTube of this round and it seems to perform in most situations.

The awesome thing with a glock is you can get cool parts almost anywhere.

My brother has a cz75 , it's an awesome hand gun and cycles almost anything yo put in it. It's just a little big for everyday carry IMO

I bought a Beretta 92 fs enox about 3 months ago, for me the gun fits perfectly in my hand with its chunky grips and all, yes its heavy and a bit of a bulky gun as far as concealment but other than that, i do love this gun, bought it brand new for a bargain, personally i do not like the feel of a glock but that's a can of worms I'm not going to open, but i think it best to look what suits your wallet and your needs

What do you guys think about the 9mm Sig Sauer P226 MK25? Anyone had any experience with it? I'll be applying for my license in the next month or so and will be looking at getting this when I do eventually get the license. I'll probably be trying out a few different models but this one seems to stand out for me in terms of reviews and specs

The P226 is based on the Sig proven platform - it's old school, it works!!

The bore axis is quite high above the top of your grip.
Makes for a bit more muzzle flip under recoil.
I found the trigger horrible; creepy, squishy, springy & heavy (but that can be cleaned up)

Before you jump, shoot a glock, S&W M&P, CZ P07, etc.
basically guns with a low bore axis over the grip.

You might find you like these better.
Also the ergonomics of the S&W and CZ are damned good.

l1qu1d wrote: Here's a nice breakdown of the time frame of the application, remember by court order they have to give you a 'Yes' or 'No' within 90 business days.

The letter circulated 29.05.2012 hereunder.


The 90 days period is unpacked as follows:

Station Level
The applications received by various stations must be forwarded to the Provincial Office within six (6) weeks after being captured on the system.

Provincial Level
After receiving of applications from stations the Province must conduct a quality check and the applications must be forwarded to Central Firearm Register within two (2) weeks after receipt from the station with a forwarding schedule.

Central Firearm Register
Applications received at Central Firearms Register must be finalized within four (4) weeks after receipt from the Province.

Approved applications - Card Printed
Refused applications - Refusal Letter (Typed)

All printed cards must be collected from the Central Firearms Register within two (2) weeks after being finalized by Central Firearms Register and the cards must be collected or delivered within two (2) weeks after being finalized by Central Firearms Register or Provincial Office.

All refusal letters must be posted within two (2) weeks after being finalized by Central Firearms Register.

Where an applicant or non-official institution collected his/her card(s) from Central Firearms Register, the relevant Section Commander from Central Firearms Register must be notify the relevant Provincial Commander in writing in order to close off the SAPS 86 register.

Hi l1qu1d

You don't perhaps have an original of this do you? The GOSA chaps are trying to locate an original copy

Did you get your license l1qu1d ?
Life got in the way but I eventually went with the po7 gen 2. I shot everything imaginable but liked the look and feel of that best.

I also went with a CZ P07 Duty as my carry. After shooting a few various Glocks and a few of the new Sig Sauer models.

Being an experienced shooter I immediately loved the CZ they come out of the factory Zeroed at 15m it showed.

I have Dedicated Hunter and Dedicated Sport Shooter Status so looking at getting a CZ SP01 Shadow.

Rhino wrote: Did you get your license l1qu1d ?
Life got in the way but I eventually went with the po7 gen 2. I shot everything imaginable but liked the look and feel of that best.

Yup, received the s15's in August so managed to go shooting with the rifles a bit.
You won't go wrong with the P07, I've pushed countless rounds through mine and have not had any issues.

I added one of these recently, very slim and powerful: inforce-mil.com/pistol-lights.php
They go for about 2k

I use this holster with it: www.jizni.co.za/holsters-p-07-duty/434-b...mba-ce-apl-p-07.html

Need to start looking into reloading now, ammo is damn expensive

Wish list: Lee Pro 1000 progressive press

HIERDIE IS Ñ MOET OM TE LEES EN SAL HELP WANNEER EN MAG EK Ñ INBREKER SKIET.

"Mag jy ’n inbreker wat jy in jou huis betrap summier doodskiet? Philip de Bruin het die kenners gevra.

Die kort antwoord is: “Ja, jy mág ’n inbreker in jou huis skiet en selfs doodskiet. ” Maar met dié antwoord saam kom ’n norring regsreëls en regsbeginsels wat ook weer in ’n paar woorde saamgevat kan word: Wederregtelikheid en die redelike mens. Prof. Tom Coetzee van Potchefstroom, wat sy doktorsgraad in strafreg verwerf het en lank as streeklanddros waargeneem het, stel dit só:

“As ’n lid van die publiek bewus word van ’n inbreker in sy huis, of dit nou in die dag of die nag is, en so ’n inbreker betrap, wéét hy mos dat daardie inbreker nie daar is om ’n koppie koffie te kom drink nie. “Dit help jou niks om na die inbreker toe te stap nie en vir hom te sê: ‘Hallo, my naam is Tom Coetzee. Waarmee kan ek help? O, jy breek in? Nou beplan jy om my of my vrou of my kinders te beseer of te vermoor of te verkrag? Indien dit die geval is, wys my asseblief net gou eers jou wapen sodat ek ’n soortgelyke wapen kan gaan haal om myself mee te verdedig.’ “Teen daardie tyd is die huisbewoner lankal ’n lyk. In ’n land soos Suid-Afrika, waar die howe geregtelik kennis kan neem van die geweldige aantal inbrake in die land waarvan die meeste met baie ernstige geweld gepaardgaan, sal die redelike mens se eerste gedagte wees dat hy homself, sy vrou en sy kinders moet beskerm teen ’n moontlike gewelddadige aanval.

“Onthou dat wat ook al die huiseienaar besluit, hy letterlik breukdele van sekondes het om te besluit of hy gaan skiet of nie. Hy het nie die voordeel van regters en aanklaers wat later in gemakstoele by hul lessenaars rustig die feite kan oorweeg om te besluit of hy billik opgetree het deur die inbreker te skiet nie. “Dis in die meeste gevalle letterlik ’n geval van dis jy of ek. Dit is waar die geykte regsreël inkom van die redelike-mens-toets. Die redelike mens sal in sulke omstandighede nie huiwer om sy eie lewe, sy gesin se lewens en sy eiendom teen die inbreker te beskerm nie. “As die huiseienaar ’n vuurwapen by hom het, is daar net een manier om die inbreker te stuit: Skiet hom! Dit maak nie saak of die inbreker ’n wapen van watter aard ook al by hom het nie.

“Daar kan nie van die redelike mens verwag word om die inbreker eers te vra watter wapen hy by hom het nie. “Dit is redelik dat die huiseienaar onmiddellik skiet, al is dit ’n doodskoot. Van moord op die inbreker is daar in sulke omstandighede geen sprake nie, want die huisbewoner se handeling was nie wederregtelik nie. “Hy het nie geskiet omdat hy keelvol is vir misdaad nie, hy het geskiet omdat hy wettig sy lewe en dié van sy gesin en sy eiendom wou beskerm.”

Die strafregkenner prof. Callie Snyman, voorheen van Unisa, stel dit in sy gesaghebbende boek Strafreg – wat in regskringe bekend staan as aanklaers se “Bybel”, so:

“Veronderstel dat X, terwyl sy in haar huis slaap, in die middel van die nag wakker word en agterkom dat ’n inbreker haar kamer of dié van ’n familielid nader. Mag X summier skiet, of moet sy die inbreker eers vra om hom te identifiseer en die doel van sy besoek te verduidelik ten einde te kan besluit wat, objektief beskou, in die omstandighede die gepaste afweerhandeling sal wees? “Moet sy eers die inbreker in hegtenis probeer neem en dan die polisie bel? “Daar word aan die hand gedoen dat X in so ’n situasie geregtig is om summier op die inbreker te skiet. Selfs al kom dit later aan die lig dat die inbreker ongewapen en fisiek swak was en maklik deur X oorrompel kon gewees het?…?is dit uiters onwaarskynlik dat ’n hof sal beslis dat X wederregtelik opgetree het deur na die inbreker te skiet.

’n Mens se huis is jou kasteel. Dit is die laaste bastion van jou veiligheid. Ondervinding leer dat selfs ’n oomblik se huiwering deur X in dié soort omstandighede fataal vir X mag wees. “Om aan X die reg te weier?om in sulke omstandighede te skiet, sou daarop neerkom dat van haar verwag word om met haar lewe of dié van haar familie te dobbel, en dit kan die reg nie van haar verwag nie.”

Dié siening bevredig ook die regsgevoel van Johann Gresse, voorsitter van die strafregkomitee van die prokureursorde van die noordelike provinsies. Hy voeg by dat die openbare belang en mening ook nog ’n rol sal speel. Geen lid van die publiek sal ontevrede wees omdat ’n inbreker in ’n huis doodgeskiet word nie. Sowel Coetzee as Snyman is dit eens dat daar nie regtens van die huisbewoner(s) verwag kan word om aan die moontlike dreigende aanval op hulle te ontkom deur eers te probeer vlug nie. “Dit sal daarop neerkom dat sulke onskuldige mense gedwing word om die veiligheid van hul eie huis te verlaat sodat ’n inbreker sy sin kan kry. Reg moet dus die knie buig voor onreg, wat regtens onaanvaarbaar is,” sê Coetzee.

Snyman stel dit so: “Die reg verwag nie van X om uit haar eie huis te vlug as sy daar aangeval word nie. Haar huis of woonplek is haar laaste toevlugsoord – haar ‘kasteel’ – waar sy haar teen alle onreg kan beskerm. “Boonop erken ons howe die beginsel dat as dit vir X gevaarlik is om te vlug, in die sin dat sy haar dan blootstel aan byvoorbeeld ’n steek (met ’n mes) of ’n koeël in die rug, sy nié hoef te vlug nie, maar haar aanvaller buite aksie kan stel. Dit is die aanvaller (die inbreker) wat opsetlik die wederregtelike aanval loods wat die risiko van besering of dood dra, nie die aangevallene nie.”

Coetzee en Gresse beklemtoon dit egter dié uitleg van die reg gee in geen omstandighede aan enigiemand die reg om links en regs mense te skiet nie. Daar is ’n groot verskil tussen ’n inbreker in jou huis wat doodgeskiet mag word en iemand wat buite in jou tuin rondsluip, klaarblyklik met die bedoeling om te steel of in te breek. “As ’n huisbewoner so iemand in sy tuin sien, is daar, weer volgens die redelike-mens-toets, geen rede om te glo dat daardie persoon inderdaad gaan inbreek nie. “Tweedens het die huisbewoner genoeg tyd om die polisie te ontbied of sy alarmstelsel te aktiveer. Hy kan selfs waarskuwingskote in die lug afvuur om die sluiper te probeer verjaag. “Die feit dat ’n inbreker binne-in jou huis doodgeskiet mag word, mag nooit ’n free for all word waarin later dan selfs mense op jou sypaadjie voor die huis doodgeskiet word nie.”

Die doodskiet van ’n inbreker in jou huis is reeds in 2003 deur oudregter Johann Kriegler in ’n uitspraak in die konstitusionele hof onregstreeks bevestig toe hy gesê het polisielede mag slegs tydens inhegtenisnemings waarteen verdagtes hulle verset op verdagtes skiet as die beampte “redelike gronde het om te glo”?dat die verdagte ’n onmiddellike gevaar van ernstige liggaamlike leed vir die beampte of ander lede van die publiek inhou. Dié “redelike gronde om te glo” kan net so op ’n huisbewoner van toepassing gemaak word wat ’n inbreker in sy huis betrap, sê Coetzee.

ONTHOU: Jy bly die een wat dalk in die hof jou daad moet gaan verduidelik en dit regverdig!! Soos wat jy alleen agter jou wapen staan gaan jy dalk alleen in die hof ook staan – maak seker jy kan beide gevalle hanteer indien nodig!! "

Al wat ek se is, as jy hom skiet, maak seker hys dood, anders het jy kak.

My CPF chairman het gese dat as jy hom nie dood skiet nie maak net seker dat hy kan nie skryf of sien of praat nie...

PraetorivsXII wrote: My CPF chairman het gese dat as jy hom nie dood skiet nie maak net seker dat hy kan nie skryf of sien of praat nie...

Ja want anders moet jy vir sy 10 vrouens sorg, 35 kinders op skool hou , en fok weet wat nog.

weet iemand of hull iets kon onthou na die tyd as hulle dronk was (soos rerig p.. k.... dronk) en hulle was gevermoer?