Married life and T

I will most certainly not blame the juice and 3rd cycle planning will commence shortly but I have noticed big trouble in the house for a while. To name but a few, threating divorce, more physical behaviour, shouting at my kid. No its not all me, it takes two to tango but I have a very low tolerance and a lot less patience. What do you think about juice use and behavioural changes?
Not trying to piss on anybody's foot here but I am interested and yes I will continue to juice.


A small abstract from Testosterone and Dominance in men
Allan Mazur

Public Affairs Program

Syracuse University

Syracuse NY 13244

USA

Alan Booth

Sociology Department

Pennsylvania State University

University Park PA 16802

USA

There was little behavioral measurement in this study, but marital status was determined at each examination. T, as measured four times during the decade, could accordingly be correlated with marital status at each exam. Among the 16 possible correlations, 10 were significantly positive, replicating Booth and Dabbs' (1993) association of high basal T with divorce. However, we find that T measured right after the divorce is the best predictor, giving a regression coefficient roughly twice as large as does T when measured five years away from the divorce. This higher T with proximity to divorce indicates that the reciprocal model is also at work.

Furthermore, men who divorced during the decade of the study had elevated T in the examinations just before and after their breakups, compared to examinations further removed in time. The T of men who married during the decade fell as they made the transition from bachelor to husband, and T remained low among stably married men. Thus, T is highly responsive to changes in marital status, falling with marriage and rising with divorce.

These results have an easy interpretation in the reciprocal model. Normal marriages are secure and supportive, more free from stress than single life, consistent with the relatively low cortisol found in married Air Force veterans. Single men are more likely than married men to face confrontations and challenges and, lacking the social support of a spouse, they are more likely to face situations where they must watch out for themselves, acting defensively and adopting protective postures. These are precisely the kinds of situations in which T rises. The abrupt act of marriage is the culmination of a longer and more gradual period of courtship and engagement, in which a man accepts the support of his partner, removing himself from the competitive area in which he has operated with his fellows. It is for this reason, we suggest, that T declines with marriage.

Similarly, a divorce is discreet in time but the breakup of a marriage is a process usually spanning years both before and after the legal announcement (Booth and Amato 1991). Typically it is accompanied by arguments and confrontations, the kinds of events associated with high T, both as cause and effect (Booth et al. 1985). We suggest that most men undergoing this level of challenge, unless persistently defeated, will experience rising T, which in turn encourages further confrontation with their estranged wives. Reciprocity is thus an appealing model here, but we also need the basal model to explain why men initially high in T have more propensity to divorce.

Being on steroids definitely shortens your fuse. Someone who is short tempered will have a harder time keeping calm under stress, but guys who are very chilled out might not notice any increase in aggression.

Sure, it takes 2 to tango but take responsibility for your moods or steroids can be a problem.

Thanks for that MA, you don't recon it changes your personality slightly for the long term?

I forgot to mention that we start first counselling session Tuesday coming

good luck with the counselling - hope you sort it out..

Ye it deffinatly puts an edge on things. My wife hated my last cycle with the addition of NPP and that's what made me decide to leave Tren out of the picture.
We need to take the blame and not point fingers at our spouses, after all we are the ones messing with our hormones and if life is dandy while off cycle and these issues only arise while on cycle its time to decide what's more important to you.

Good luck Bud.

Rhino wrote: Ye it deffinatly puts an edge on things. My wife hated my last cycle with the addition of NPP and that's what made me decide to leave Tren out of the picture.
We need to take the blame and not point fingers at our spouses, after all we are the ones messing with our hormones and if life is dandy while off cycle and these issues only arise while on cycle its time to decide what's more important to you.

Not all that dandy when off cycle either anymore. Slightly worse when on a cycle.

FIllet wrote: Thanks for that MA, you don't recon it changes your personality slightly for the long term?

I forgot to mention that we start first counselling session Tuesday coming

Bud best thing i EVER did was agree to counselling. Baby steps.
Good luck it will all be fine.

T-Style wrote:

FIllet wrote: Thanks for that MA, you don't recon it changes your personality slightly for the long term?

I forgot to mention that we start first counselling session Tuesday coming

Bud best thing i EVER did was agree to counselling. Baby steps.
Good luck it will all be fine.

Cheers mate. We need third party intervention.

Rhino wrote: My wife hated my last cycle with the addition of NPP and that's what made me decide to leave Tren out of the picture.

Most of the bad mood swings from NPP/Deca are because they are progestins but if you control your prolactin with cabaser your moods are much more 'stable'. High prolactin makes you feel very grumpy and suppresses the 'feel good' hormone dopamine.

FIllet wrote: Not all that dandy when off cycle either anymore. Slightly worse when on a cycle.

Good luck with the counseling bud. Like my brother tells me, would you rather be right or happy...

Irritation becomes an issue when you cycle. Small nitty gritty things irritates the kak out of u. It becomes your problem how you respond to it. Think before you open your mouth.

When i started off with gear, i had no idea how to control my emotions and usually ended up making a massive issue out of nothing. Once you get used to cycles, you know exactly whats going on, and you realize "shuttup" before you end up saying "im sorry"....

You have to sit your wife down and explain to her to "help" you realize when you become a bitching girl, and you have to be a man to accept "i am being the dooz here"....

The last few years my wife begs me to go on cycle because i am so chilled and relaxed on cycle. She even buys my testosterone for me.

PS - If you know "deep down" you gave your best and its not working, get out or you will be a miserable person till the day you die.

Can i play devils advocate , one question ?

Muscleaddict wrote:

Rhino wrote: My wife hated my last cycle with the addition of NPP and that's what made me decide to leave Tren out of the picture.

Most of the bad mood swings from NPP/Deca are because they are progestins but if you control your prolactin with cabaser your moods are much more 'stable'. High prolactin makes you feel very grumpy and suppresses the 'feel good' hormone dopamine.

FIllet wrote: Not all that dandy when off cycle either anymore. Slightly worse when on a cycle.

Good luck with the counseling bud. Like my brother tells me, would you rather be right or happy...

Your brother is a wise man

The last few years my wife begs me to go on cycle because i am so chilled and relaxed on cycle. She even buys my testosterone for me. [/quote]

Does she have a sister??????
Gotta get me one of those.

My wife has NO CLUE. Thats the way it will stay till 6 weeks out. LOL

Oupa wrote: Irritation becomes an issue when you cycle. Small nitty gritty things irritates the kak out of u. It becomes your problem how you respond to it. Think before you open your mouth.

When i started off with gear, i had no idea how to control my emotions and usually ended up making a massive issue out of nothing. Once you get used to cycles, you know exactly whats going on, and you realize "shuttup" before you end up saying "im sorry"....

You have to sit your wife down and explain to her to "help" you realize when you become a bitching girl, and you have to be a man to accept "i am being the dooz here"....

The last few years my wife begs me to go on cycle because i am so chilled and relaxed on cycle. She even buys my testosterone for me.

PS - If you know "deep down" you gave your best and its not working, get out or you will be a miserable person till the day you die.

Can i play devils advocate , one question ?

Ask Oupa I will answere

This is a little harsh, well some of it at least

www.vitalquests.org/publication4sport.html

I must say it is a lot harder staying calm when I'm on cycle now that we have a toddler. The lack of quality time with your wife without worrying about your kid makes communication and having patience that much harder I find. When you have kids it's all about the kids but your partner should always come first. Easier said than done hey.

ag bud, i havnt walked in your shoes, so forget about the question....

Give your family your everything, and if its not good enough, get out. But my God be sure your nose is clean before you bail....

Kids adapt, trust me. I have 5 and divorced twice.

Good luck bud

Muscleaddict wrote: I must say it is a lot harder staying calm when I'm on cycle now that we have a toddler. The lack of quality time with your wife without worrying about your kid makes communication and having patience that much harder I find. When you have kids it's all about the kids but your partner should always come first. Easier said than done hey.

I have one dude, 6yrs old. He keeps us busy and does not give us much alone time so I hear that. Love him to bits though.

Oupa wrote: ag bud, i havnt walked in your shoes, so forget about the question....

Give your family your everything, and if its not good enough, get out. But my God be sure your nose is clean before you bail....

Kids adapt, trust me. I have 5 and divorced twice.

Good luck bud

Thanks for the advice.
You should have still asked because you are highly skilled in this issue clearly :whistle:

Sorry to hear about your troubles brother! Head up, chest out, stomache in.

Shot Pyro, relationship is work in progress... Always...

Oupa wrote:
I have 5 and divorced twice.

Jacob, is that u?

DJ wrote:

Oupa wrote:
I have 5 and divorced twice.

Jacob, is that u?

No tv in Oupas house

No TV or a good catholic family or really long cold winters...haha

Marriage is hard man. Marriage is so hard. Nelson Mandela got a divorce!

Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in a prison getting tortured and beaten every day of his life for 27 straight years. He got out of jail and after 6 months with his wife said: "I can't take this shit anymore!"

-Chris Rock