what are the professionals using

Hi there all,

I have always wondered what cycles the professionals use as in quantity used and how many different substances used in one cycle.
I'm sure the mods and many other experienced users could help out here as to what professionals like phil heath, ronnie coleman, jay cutler etc cycles would look like.

Test, IGF, HGH etc etc

most of all they diet en train year in and year out, disciplined. And then genetics play a part as well

Am I right in saying that they will however be using way higher dosages than normal?

Not necessarily no.

Most of the Top level bodybuilders use a few grams a week when preparing for the olympia. It depends on your genetics and what level you are trying to compete at, but I think its safe to say most of the top level bodybuilders use everything under sun at high doses.

manery wrote: top level bodybuilders use everything under sun at high doses.

Everything ??

Oupa wrote:

manery wrote: top level bodybuilders use everything under sun at high doses.

Everything ??

EVERYTHING!

People have no idea what they are talking about when they make those claims !! NADA !! FOKKOL !!

These are the reasons why I am asking as most of them are not open to what they use.

@oupa could you for example suggest a cycle that they would use and at what doses?

From my side, it's not that I don't think your question interesting especially on a forum like this. The problem unfortunately is that some second team rugby laaitie stumbles onto this thread, reads what the big boys are using and figures this is the proper way to get into the first team and become Prom King. You only live once right? Couple of months later his system can't handle it anymore and he lands up in a coma or worse. For the same reason we are not keen on commenting on insulin usage.

I understand fully pyro just thought it would be an interesting topic and thought no sane person would try anything like a professional bodybuilder without years and years of experience and understanding

Its not so much of how much the "pro's" are using, its more HOW they are using it. They have amazing protocols when it comes to using compounds like insulin and peptides and GH. They get the guidance from world class trainers and expert medical personnel like personalised doctors to mention a few. Combine that with a diet structured for that specific individual and gear he is using and u end up with a massmonster. I have said before on another thread that the mass monsters we see of today is mainly due to insulin. And if u have the genes to add to all of this then u ultimately have the perfect recipe. Is it safe....no. Would the average joe be able to do this....no. Is it affordable....no.

But yes I do believe that some insane dosages are used especially when it comes to testosterone.

Solid info. +1 MCJ.

Well, if you look around on the net, Dorian has said it a few times.... thing is people call bullshit when they dont see what they want to see.

His ofseason cycle if I remeber correctly was:
Test: 1000mg per week
Deca: 500mg per week
Dbol: 50mg per day
HGH: 8 iu's per day

He would do this for 8 weeks and then lower the dosages for a month and then turn it up again for 3 or so cycles back to back.

hire one of the prep coaches as a prep coach and i think u will all be surprised at the dosages used!

1400mg of test from oil a week average
600mg of equipoise a week avergage
400mg of NPP a week average
700mg of water based anaboics a week
off season 100mg of orals a day dbol/anapolin.
gh and igf

some prep coaches dont believe in using insulin and dont include it in their programs.

pre contest u dont even want to know what is going on there.

DJ you're back! We missed you! :woohoo:

DJ wrote: hire one of the prep coaches as a prep coach and i think u will all be surprised at the dosages used!

1400mg of test from oil a week average
600mg of equipoise a week avergage
400mg of NPP a week average
700mg of water based anaboics a week
off season 100mg of orals a day dbol/anapolin.
gh and igf

some prep coaches dont believe in using insulin and dont include it in their programs.

pre contest u dont even want to know what is going on there.

What
would this be? Test SUSP? WINNY?

Only other water based ones I can think of are methandriol and injectable anadrol/dbol.

Muscleaddict wrote: Only other water based ones I can think of are methandriol and injectable anadrol/dbol.

PGW was testing injectable anadrol at a time... What happened to that?

I don't know. I don't think there is enough demand for it.