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11 Jul 2012 15:36 #112667 by Pyroclasm
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I am currently in week 4 of my cycle and I found out today that I will need to have an operation on tuesday morning. My question is will the compounds in my cycle be a problem for my operation and will I need to let the surgeon and/or anesthetist know that I am on cycle? At the moment I am taking Test-En, EQ, T-Bol and Proviron. Also will the AAS conflict with any of the painkillers after the operation?

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11 Jul 2012 15:41 #112669 by MRfeathers
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sorry my dude. will keep you in my prayers for tuesday morning. strongs bud

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11 Jul 2012 15:50 #112674 by jackrabbit1
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YES they have to know. Admin posted a comment about this from Doctari a while back.

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11 Jul 2012 15:56 #112677 by Inja
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You will need to tell them yes.

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Its just my point of view

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11 Jul 2012 16:00 #112680 by RvP
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Thats the worst. Telling Med Professionals that you're on a cycle, especially the uptight ones that do everything by the book. They give you these dirty looks like you're some kind of crack head. But it has to be done...Hopefully your doc is a cool oke.

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11 Jul 2012 16:03 #112683 by 00pump
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Very important to inform them, they may even postpone your surgery you are in danger of blood clotting and complications due to high RBC count while being on cycle...

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11 Jul 2012 16:13 #112691 by aspoester
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YES especially the anesthetist more than anyone, make prior arrangements and consult the surgeon. You can ask for them to be as discrete as possible, but depending on your recovery period in hospital i don't think it is wise to perhaps pin yourself while "bathing" as the compounds mentioned are regulated as we well know. You don't wanna get into shit with the medical staff either,calling the cops on you or some whack shit.

To the best of my knowledge and asking my physician (i have chronic ailments, and discuss prospective cycles etc openly with him) they cannot divulge any personal/private information unless for medical consultation with another practitioner (they are also bound by some rule) so you have no need to worry. Certain medicines can obviously not necessarily react but impair the effectiveness of aesthetics for example or falsely trigger warnings that something is wrong during the procedure (heart palpitations while on clen for example) so provide them with as much info as possible so they can ensure the procedure runs smoothly.

I know its uncomfortable especially if you aren't familiar with the medical staff but the situation is unfortunate and pride and being judged upon needs to be showed out of the way in this scenario.

Best of luck bud, and im sure it will go smoothly :) pitty you weren't on deca, collagen synthesis would have helped you heal up nicely :p if i may ask what procedure are you undergoing ?
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11 Jul 2012 16:50 #112704 by Pyroclasm
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Thanx for the support guys I really appreciate it!

@Aspoester: I am doing the following procedures:
-Septoplasty
-Antrostomy
-FESS
-Turbinectomy (Maybe they are gonna fit a turbo or something?)

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11 Jul 2012 20:20 #112744 by jackrabbit1
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Lots of bleeding involved.
AAS makes recovery take longer.
You also bleed more.

Tell your ENT about this. He will decide whether to wait for you to come off or not.

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11 Jul 2012 21:37 #112749 by GregB1
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Sorry to hear bro. Hope all goes weel . Plz keep us updated on how you doing after the surgery as soon as u can bud.

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11 Jul 2012 21:40 #112750 by Pyroclasm
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@Jackrabbit: Interesting that you say that while on cycle recovery would take longer. One would think that the AAS would make you recover much faster (as that's kinda the function of the AAS). Would you mind explaining why it would take longer? Also I was kinda shitting myself about the whole thing and now I am fully crapping my pants.

@Inja, Pump, Jackrabbit, possibly Admin: I spoke to my GP about telling the anesthetist and the specialist that I am on cycle and he said that it has absolutely no relevance to the operation. He mentioned that I have no increase in estrogen so therefore no increased risk of blood clots, and also went through a list of things but lost me along the way. Please don't think I have made up my mind already or am disregarding your opinion in any way that is really not the case. Infact there is a reason why I opened this thread and I wanted your unbiased opinion before I gave you mine. So what I am asking is would it be possible for you guys to compile a list of topics as to why it is important to tell the anesthetist/specialist that I am currently on cycle so that I can discuss it with my doctor?

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11 Jul 2012 23:41 #112761 by Muscleaddict
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Good luck with the surgery bud.

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12 Jul 2012 01:49 #112762 by admin
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I mentioned a couple of times already on the forum why Doctari said its important that you tell your doctor about AAS use before you go for an opperation. It's got do do with your kidneys after the operation and nothing about blood clotting. Is basically to avoid some possible complication.


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12 Jul 2012 05:23 #112763 by Rookie
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admin wrote: I mentioned a couple of times already on the forum why Doctari said its important that you tell your doctor about AAS use before you go for an opperation. It's got do do with your kidneys after the operation and nothing about blood clotting. Is basically to avoid some possible complication.


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I'm the same boat, scheduled for a vasectomy and it will be smack bang in the middel of my cycle. Good luck Bud!!

Here is the Doctari reply, in afrikaans though.

Beslis invloed ! AAS gebruik en narkose as kombinasie gee bynier onderdrukking post-operatief, wat probleme veroorsaak met handhawing van sistemiese bloeddruk, ens. Noem net asb aan die narkotiseur dat jy op AAS is en min of meer wat jou weeklikse dosering is. Al wat hul dan doen, is om jou Hidrokortisoon te spuit intraveneus net voor einde van prosedure - dit verleen dan ekstra bynier ondersteuning. Jy ontvang ook dan bietjie meer intraveneuse vog post-operatief as gewoonlik.

Wat egter nog meer belangrik is, is om op GEEN stimulante, kruie middels of bloed verdunnings medikasie (Disprin, asook te groot doserings EFA en CLA) te wees vir laaste 7 dae voor chirurgie nie.
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12 Jul 2012 07:32 #112765 by admin
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Thanks Rookie

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12 Jul 2012 07:47 #112766 by 00pump
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admin wrote: I mentioned a couple of times already on the forum why Doctari said its important that you tell your doctor about AAS use before you go for an opperation. It's got do do with your kidneys after the operation and nothing about blood clotting. Is basically to avoid some possible complication.


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Blood clotting is a major factor when being on AAS for a long period of time; I have had a friend nearly die, and had to have a blood specialist work with him, to prevent a heart attack or stroke. The operation went fine, then 1 day later complications started, polycythemia is a condition that can even occur on a low dose TRT replacement therapy and acute polycythemia in most users of anabolics. I would be more worried about coagulopathy fibrinogen (a protein that is produced by the liver and helps prevent excessive bleeding by aiding in blood clots to form so as I said I would be far more worried about that than stress on my kidneys. The other risk with the increased in RBC is the BP issues after an operation. My kidneys have been perfect for the last 3 times I have had the operation but complications with blood pressure and excessive bleeding was an issue for me and if you see the amount of blood my drains caught :sick: , and the surgeon told me it was related to anabolic use. I even had to stay over, when normally it’s in and out an hour later after the procedure, but the bleeding was excessive.

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12 Jul 2012 07:49 #112767 by 00pump
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Rookie wrote:

admin wrote: I mentioned a couple of times already on the forum why Doctari said its important that you tell your doctor about AAS use before you go for an opperation. It's got do do with your kidneys after the operation and nothing about blood clotting. Is basically to avoid some possible complication.


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I'm the same boat, scheduled for a vasectomy and it will be smack bang in the middel of my cycle. Good luck Bud!!

Here is the Doctari reply, in afrikaans though.

Beslis invloed ! AAS gebruik en narkose as kombinasie gee bynier onderdrukking post-operatief, wat probleme veroorsaak met handhawing van sistemiese bloeddruk, ens. Noem net asb aan die narkotiseur dat jy op AAS is en min of meer wat jou weeklikse dosering is. Al wat hul dan doen, is om jou Hidrokortisoon te spuit intraveneus net voor einde van prosedure - dit verleen dan ekstra bynier ondersteuning. Jy ontvang ook dan bietjie meer intraveneuse vog post-operatief as gewoonlik.

Wat egter nog meer belangrik is, is om op GEEN stimulante, kruie middels of bloed verdunnings medikasie (Disprin, asook te groot doserings EFA en CLA) te wees vir laaste 7 dae voor chirurgie nie.


Yup, as I said Blood pressure.

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12 Jul 2012 08:04 #112769 by MikeM1
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Pyroclasm wrote: I am currently in week 4 of my cycle and I found out today that I will need to have an operation on tuesday morning. My question is will the compounds in my cycle be a problem for my operation and will I need to let the surgeon and/or anesthetist know that I am on cycle? At the moment I am taking Test-En, EQ, T-Bol and Proviron. Also will the AAS conflict with any of the painkillers after the operation?


I would definitely tell them... also you would have ease of mind knowing that they know - if you dont you will lie there wondering if you should have told them. Dont take any chances.

Good luck with the surgery.

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12 Jul 2012 09:57 #112789 by admin
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00pump wrote:

admin wrote: I mentioned a couple of times already on the forum why Doctari said its important that you tell your doctor about AAS use before you go for an opperation. It's got do do with your kidneys after the operation and nothing about blood clotting. Is basically to avoid some possible complication.


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Blood clotting is a major factor when being on AAS for a long period of time; I have had a friend nearly die, and had to have a blood specialist work with him, to prevent a heart attack or stroke. The operation went fine, then 1 day later complications started, polycythemia is a condition that can even occur on a low dose TRT replacement therapy and acute polycythemia in most users of anabolics. I would be more worried about coagulopathy fibrinogen (a protein that is produced by the liver and helps prevent excessive bleeding by aiding in blood clots to form so as I said I would be far more worried about that than stress on my kidneys. The other risk with the increased in RBC is the BP issues after an operation. My kidneys have been perfect for the last 3 times I have had the operation but complications with blood pressure and excessive bleeding was an issue for me and if you see the amount of blood my drains caught :sick: , and the surgeon told me it was related to anabolic use. I even had to stay over, when normally it’s in and out an hour later after the procedure, but the bleeding was excessive.


You are right and thanks for the info.

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12 Jul 2012 10:19 #112790 by GregB1
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Hows the nerves, how you coping bud? :unsure:

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12 Jul 2012 11:17 #112797 by Pyroclasm
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Thanx for the info guys. I am thinking that as long as I can't get into shit then I would much rather tell them and be sure. You never know what might happen and it might just make the difference between living and dying. Would it be okay if I just tell them on the operation forms or would it be necessary to schedule another session with the doctor to tell him?

Thanx a lot for the support guys! To be honest I was perfectly fine with the idea but now I am very nervous about it. I am starting to notice that I am not the happy guy I usually am and I keep to myself a lot more. Also my mother is not really taking it well and she is taking it out on me so that's awesome.

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12 Jul 2012 11:24 #112798 by GregB1
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Sorry to hear bro, i wish you all the best and it will be over soon. Will keep you in my thoughts and prays bud.

PS: you will be ok my 1 day older big brother :P.

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12 Jul 2012 11:28 #112801 by MRfeathers
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just speak to your ENT specialist, he will inform the anaesthesiologist and all the relevant people. is it that serious that it has to be done next tuesday? cant you maybe postpone til after PCT? anyway you will be in good hands, dont stress about things you have no power over, theres no point really

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12 Jul 2012 12:40 #112803 by Pyroclasm
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The thing is I am getting bronchitis and/or respiratory tract infections about 10 times a year and it's getting unbearable. It won't kill me if a do it after my cycle but it's gonna be better if I do it as soon as possible. Thanx my brothers from other mothers. On the bright side atleast when it is over I can just focus on the rest of my cycle with peace of mind that I won't get sick again.

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12 Jul 2012 12:41 - 12 Jul 2012 12:41 #112804 by admin
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Good luck bro and I hope you will have a speedy recovery.
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