- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
Clen + yoh or FFF
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
Firstly, thanks for the wealth of knowledge you guys put out there. Let me start off with my stats before getting to the question(s).
25yrs old
1,83m
91kg
11% body fat - measured with callipers, not the wonder scale at VA
Diet:
Breakfast - 5 egg whites + 3 whole eggs with some steak strips occasionally
Snack - usually almonds or biltong
Lunch - protein ( chicken breasts/ beef or ostrich patties/ fish fillets) with veggies (broccoli/ cauliflower rice/ zucchini spaghetti)
Pre workout - BCAAs with L-arginine
Post workout - Casein + 20g of glucose ( I have mild residual renal impairment due to a childhood condition that was corrected, so I stay away from whey due to the rapid absorption of aminos that could strain the kidneys)
Supper (30min post workout) - usually some chicken breasts with veg again
I drink at least 3litres of water per day. I do usually have a couple castle lites on the weekend as well as a cheat meal. However, I will be cutting the beers out.
Training:
I have a very busy schedule so I try to do weights 4 times per week. Will be starting 20min of HIIT after weights from next week. My usual split is:
Day 1: chest + biceps + forearms
Day 2: quads + calves
Day3: hamstrings + shoulders
Day 4: back + triceps
On to my question(s):
1) I’m looking to aid my fat loss, I can’t seem to decide on clen + yohimbine or FFF? I was pretty much sold on FFF until I saw guys talking about the formula possibly being changed (I have read practically the whole thread +/- 27 pages of it).
2) If I do decide on FFF, could I add 10mg of yohimbine with it? I know it specifically says not to use use it with another fat burning agent unless very experienced or used under supervision, but I am assuming it most likely won’t have more than 10mg of yohimbine (from Pausinystalia bark) seeing as the recommended dose of yohimbine is a per kg dose (0.2mg/kg which translates to roughly 18mg for me) and you guys recommend it to women as well who most of the time weigh a lot less than the guys hence I ASSUME it wont have more than 10mg per dose.
Thanks a lot once again, your help is much appreciated
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Lex
- Platinum Member
-
- Posts: 606
- Thank you received: 156
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Rooi Bul 86
-
- Expert
-
- Posts: 2950
- Thank you received: 1158
So Clen YCA would be even better
It is on you. It always has been...
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Rooi Bul 86
-
- Expert
-
- Posts: 2950
- Thank you received: 1158
I normally use Ephedrine Caffeine Yohimbine Aspirin
Clenbuterol is even stronger than Ephedrine.
If I was you try Ephedrine Caffeine Aspirin Yohimbine first see how you feel and tolerate it. If all is good for your next run then try Clenbuterol Yohimbine Caffeine Aspirin.
It is on you. It always has been...
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- admin
-
- Administrator
-
- Posts: 5070
- Thank you received: 2547
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Rooi Bul 86
-
- Expert
-
- Posts: 2950
- Thank you received: 1158
For me FFF is still a good all-round product it supports weight loss from multiple angles and everything works in synergy.
Do you have experience with Clen?
It is on you. It always has been...
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
@Rooi Bul - thanks for your input bud. I have experience with clen + yohimbine. Had good results just didn't enjoy the flushes and skin crawling sensation every time I tried to push out the last few reps of a set when I added yohimbine. But that's not enough to stop me from using it again
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- admin
-
- Administrator
-
- Posts: 5070
- Thank you received: 2547
search4symmetry wrote: @Admin - any reply regarding the rationale of adding 10mg of yohimbine to FFF?
You can add 10mg of Yohimbine to FFF, but first start with just the FFF or just the plain Yohimbine before adding the other. Don't start both at the same time because that might be too much initially.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Oupa
-
- Moderator
-
- Posts: 6743
- Thank you received: 4289
well.
Note- Only if you have xp with the compounds stack them. If you dont............then start with FFF for around 2 weeks, then introduce Clen and see how it goes, not more than 40mcg. T3 is the final compound i would add, also no more than 40mcg.
All this on a maintenance calory diet, no need to cut calories to low or you will loose muscle.
How to stack it does become tricky, but thats why we here
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- PsyCLown
-
- Platinum Member
-
- Posts: 639
- Thank you received: 265
ECA does not work for me, I feel like shit on it. Super light headed and unpleasant.
Yohimbine by itself (of course I was fasting intermittently when taking it) was quite weak after a day or two, even at 20mg. Add some caffeine to the yohimbine and it gets better.
Clen by itself, well, it worked. Climb the ladder as you are suppose to and I found that the negative side effects were not all that bad. I got up to 120mcg and stayed there without any issues. I certainly dropped some weight!
Clen and yohimbine together is also really great! So far my favorite combo, I say feel free to add in some caffeine too. I just had a shot of espresso (Lavazza capsules) when I took the yohimbine & clen.
Never tried FFF, so I can't comment on that. Should you decide to run clen, do not forget to take something to up-regulate your beta 2 receptors. Betasleep is a popular choice and very cheap as well as OTC.
For some Abs are made with lighting & angles... For others they are made in the kitchen.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- search4symmetry
- Topic Author
- New Member
-
- Posts: 10
- Thank you received: 2
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- zacks
- Senior Member
-
- Posts: 60
- Thank you received: 2
I see its a combinations clen, yohimbine, liothyronine sodium.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Oupa
-
- Moderator
-
- Posts: 6743
- Thank you received: 4289
zacks wrote: Sorry don't want to hijack this but would like to ask about CYX3 product.
I see its a combinations clen, yohimbine, liothyronine sodium.
Axio's CYX3 potent stuff. You must be on anabolics to prevent your thyroid eating into hard gained muscle.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- zacks
- Senior Member
-
- Posts: 60
- Thank you received: 2
Dont want to step on toes but can I continue on this thread or must i start my own if i want to ask which anabolics to use with and to give stats?
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- admin
-
- Administrator
-
- Posts: 5070
- Thank you received: 2547
zacks wrote: Thank you Oupa.
Dont want to step on toes but can I continue on this thread or must i start my own if i want to ask which anabolics to use with and to give stats?
Start a new thread please. One thread for one topic only.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- m0lt3n
-
- Platinum Member
-
- Posts: 395
- Thank you received: 22
"I want to fulfill my potential. It's as simple and as difficult as that." - Evan Centopani
'every chef is not a bodybuilder, but every bodybuilder is a chef'
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Pyroclasm
- New Member
-
- Thank you received: 0
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- vega5
-
- Expert
-
- Posts: 1847
- Thank you received: 158
When going clen + yoh, would you stick to the recommended doses for both and when will the optimal time be to take the yoh?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- 00pump
-
- Moderator
-
- Posts: 8588
- Thank you received: 2542
"Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right"--Henry Ford
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Furk
-
- Expert
-
- Posts: 2865
- Thank you received: 1525
I would. Dose the Clen and Yoh upon waking, then do your fasted cardio within 30min of taking Yoh. If you are in deep ketosis or you are certain your insulin will remain low AF, you can take a chance and dose the Yoh another time.vega5 wrote: If you dudes don't mind, I'd like to slightly hijack this thread. Really not necessary to start a new one.
When going clen + yoh, would you stick to the recommended doses for both and when will the optimal time be to take the yoh?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent via Tapatalk using carrier pigeons.
Officially sponsored by Protein™ and Caffeine™.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.