Tren A test Prop and Var Cylce

You want to reduce estrogen with an AI, lower his prolactin, but increase the test dose? Nee man!!!!!!

Tren makes you feel tired and flat... its a substance that fucks with you emotionally and that's why we say its NOT for beginners.

This dude is describing severe fatigue not just feeling sluggish like Tren normally makes you feel. This is why I think his problems are from high Prolactin, and increasing test along with an AI will decrease them significantly. You think it's fine that he is running so little Test Prop with Tren without an anti-prolactin?

I think what oupa is trying to say is that increasing his test will increase estrogen which he needs an ai for already as prolactin hormone will increase with estrogen.

I have never used tren but from what i have read a low dose testosterone is common practice while using tren, so shouldn't be a problem.

Pyroclasm wrote: This dude is describing severe fatigue not just feeling sluggish like Tren normally makes you feel. This is why I think his problems are from high Prolactin, and increasing test along with an AI will decrease them significantly. You think it's fine that he is running so little Test Prop with Tren without an anti-prolactin?

Bud, i dont read "severe fatigue" anywhere.... increasing his test will not improve his tired, flat and moody feelings. The side effects he mentioned is the exact side effects you get from tren. I know because i have been down this road PLENTY times... Have you even used cabaser when you thought your prolactin was high and bloodtests showed it wasnt? God help you, because you will be one total emotional fuckup !! I know because i have BEEN there before.

He needs to drop the tren, and up his carb intake slightly. Luckily its Tren A so he will feel much better after a few days.

Oupa wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: This dude is describing severe fatigue not just feeling sluggish like Tren normally makes you feel. This is why I think his problems are from high Prolactin, and increasing test along with an AI will decrease them significantly. You think it's fine that he is running so little Test Prop with Tren without an anti-prolactin?

Bud, i dont read "severe fatigue" anywhere.... increasing his test will not improve his tired, flat and moody feelings. The side effects he mentioned is the exact side effects you get from tren. I know because i have been down this road PLENTY times... Have you even used cabaser when you thought your prolactin was high and bloodtests showed it wasnt? God help you, because you will be one total emotional fuckup !! I know because i have BEEN there before.

He needs to drop the tren, and up his carb intake slightly. Luckily its Tren A so he will feel much better after a few days.

And that's why tren A is for beginners(tren beginners, not steroid beginners) , because it's easier to resolve the issues. Even though Enanthate allows for more stable blood levels... I actually think that pinning ED will already help with the acetate...

Yes pinning Tren A ED helps but you will still experience those sides to some extent. For example, I have used Tren E before with no sides and then with another cycle 8 weeks in experienced such terrible sides that the remaining 10 days or so was a living hell. And trust me when i say i went through hell.

The cycle this guy is using, Prop, Tren and Var is a brilliant cycle, but you have to be mind strong and know whats coming.

The prolactin dosages we gave of 0.5mg E5D was tried and tested by myself and MA with various cycles and seemed to be the best general dosage to keep sides minimum when using Tren. I think members should know that we don't suck dosages and info we recommend to this forum out of our asses, we have actually walked the talk and got the tshirts.

Absolutely Oup's, thanks to you 'toppies' :whistle:, we are able to use in a way that is a hell of a lot safer. It is appreciated!

Shite! Now I'm a bit confused , BTW I am feeling fatigued and havn't experienced those amazing gains in strength that I thought Tren was supposed to give you.
So , do I lower the tren dose from 65mg EOD to ??mg EOD and keep the Test P at 100mg EOD + 0.4 mg Anastrozole EOD for Estrogen control ?
Thanks :whistle:

Mornings , just some feedback.
last night took Pyros advice and I pinned 175 mg Test P and 65mg Trenb , Had a good workout this morning , feeling a lot stronger than I've felt in a while , I also didn't take any Arimidex last night , Just some feedback to help identify a solution . Your thoughts are appreciated .
Thx :silly:

*blink*

Hi Guys, so far I'm feeling fine its only the 2nd day though, the only thing i feel is the clen bit of shakes but nothing to stress about,

:pinch:

GFORCE wrote: Mornings , just some feedback.
last night took Pyros advice and I pinned 175 mg Test P and 65mg Trenb , Had a good workout this morning , feeling a lot stronger than I've felt in a while , I also didn't take any Arimidex last night , Just some feedback to help identify a solution . Your thoughts are appreciated .
Thx :silly:

If you are going to run Tren then run it optimally. Either keep the Tren dosage as is or drop it completely. Try the AI with increased test and see how it goes. You can also think to add a low dose T3 as these symptoms are spot on for a sluggish thyroid. Bit of trial and error here. Oupa is right when he says this is to be expected and I believe doing these things should go a long way to help with the sides. Add some B12 and B-Complex to help with the energy levels.

Add: Are you eating enough calories? Getting enough sleep and taking enough rest days?

OK , thank you for all the advice.

I train 5 days a week. I'm trying to Shed body fat so calories are about 1900 a day. I get about 8 hours sleep a day .

110kg, 1.97m tall using Tren with only 1900 calories a day... lol dude no wonder you feel like kak.

Post that diet because you are defeating the object with your cycle and current diet.

More carbs! Tren is very carb friendly. Just time most of them around your workout.

GFORCE wrote: OK , thank you for all the advice.

I train 5 days a week. I'm trying to Shed body fat so calories are about 1900 a day. I get about 8 hours sleep a day .

There's the problem captain!

Pyroclasm wrote:

GFORCE wrote: OK , thank you for all the advice.

I train 5 days a week. I'm trying to Shed body fat so calories are about 1900 a day. I get about 8 hours sleep a day .

There's the problem captain!

Oh captain my captain
Think you need to jump in there

Hahaha Brother if you are ever in Gautengalengaleng you must lemme know. MA pretty much nailed it with more carbs.

Hi Guys just an update, been on cycle for 12 days now, but i must say I'm feeling very normal no sides except for a few zits, but this is the first time using tren, and a lot of guys said it give you a hell of a lot power but I'm not up on power though up on reps,

Other than that so far so good will be taking BF at 3 weeks and then at 6 weeks again to see how I've done,

@ Oupa , no I'm not on 1900 that's the other guy that posted, I'm on 2500 cals a day

hi guys just a quick update, day 16, have a bit of a temper more than usual just irritated, but feel great other than that libido is great, so far so good,

taking body fat % in the week to see if there is any improvement looks like it,

cheers

Hi Guys

I'm in week 5 now and all is good dropped 6% bodyfat and have not lost any wight on the scale so it should be some water and muscle have had no sides so far all is going good

cheers

Good to hear bro.
Keep up the hard work and well done! How is the mood?

Nate

i feel fine i do get a little moody but not too much, or not enough that my wife wants to kill me LOL

hi

Just a update had my BF taken last night and down 9% so far and have not lost 1 kg on the scale so that I'm happy about and then moods are great not feeling bad at all

just sad to see the cycle is almost done 3 weeks left so ill hope to drop 10% in total