Intermittent fasting = extreme fat loss

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I personally feel IF is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.
Sure it works for the obese, but any calorie deficit would work for a while.
Look at every great physique achieved throughout history... Its the result of heavy workouts and frequent feeding of good nutrient dense food.
Anything that goes against that principle, to me, is a fad and has no place among serious lifters

The same goes for IIFYM, atkins type diets, juicer detoxes, liquid diets, low fat diets etc but I'll end my rant here

LXIX wrote: I personally feel IF is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.
Sure it works for the obese, but any calorie deficit would work for a while.
Look at every great physique achieved throughout history... Its the result of heavy workouts and frequent feeding of good nutrient dense food.
Anything that goes against that principle, to me, is a fad and has no place among serious lifters

The same goes for IIFYM, atkins type diets, juicer detoxes, liquid diets, low fat diets etc but I'll end my rant here

Agree 100% and I think it an easy way for people to fool themselves that they are following a proper diet when infact they're to lazy to put the time in to food prep.

LXIX wrote: Look at every great physique achieved throughout history... Its the result of heavy workouts and frequent feeding of good nutrient dense food.

Would you mind explaining a bit more about how they did and what their diets consisted of? Also who are the great physiques you are talking about? Whenever I read about how things were done in the old days, I always think to myself: if these greats did indeed follow such a diet, was it maybe for a lack of research and understanding at the time? I mean today for example we there is a lot of research with regards to diets like keto and intermittent fasting, whereas back in the day little was known about them.

Pyroclasm wrote:

LXIX wrote: Look at every great physique achieved throughout history... Its the result of heavy workouts and frequent feeding of good nutrient dense food.

Would you mind explaining a bit more about how they did and what their diets consisted of? Also who are the great physiques you are talking about? Whenever I read about how things were done in the old days, I always think to myself: if these greats did indeed follow such a diet, was it maybe for a lack of research and understanding at the time? I mean today for example we there is a lot of research with regards to diets like keto and intermittent fasting, whereas back in the day little was known about them.

In Arnold's 'Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding' he sets out some of his own training diets. He used some interesting foods and supplements, which would surely be questioned today. One example from memory is his 'bulking shake': several teaspoons of lecithin granules, 1 ounce of safflower oil, 2 whole eggs, milk, to be mixed in a blender and taken between meals.

I agree that we are always learning and new knowledge shouldn't be disregarded.
And we don't always have knowledge of what the pros actually do to achieve their results but select any well-known bodybuilder at random and you will most likely see that they eat frequent meals. I know this to be true for the last 4 Olympia winners for what its worth.

To me, I can sooner accept the postulation that the body requires a steady stream of aminos, carbs and nutrients, rather than the assertion that it functions better by flooding it sporadically between long periods of fasting.

I understand the rationale behind intermittent fasting but but I don't personally side with it because the logic cannot be applied beyond what the marketing machine has created.
Some fast for the entire morning, other fast for a day at a time. So why not go 3 days without eating and then consumer a huge amount of calories on the forth?
Why not go without food a week and then slam 17500 calories in 1 go....?

That may sound sarcastic but its not meant to. People actually DO try go for days without nutrients and any sensible person can see the danger in that.

On the other extreme, meal partitioning may be annoying to friends and colleagues but it is risk-free and many many many people have used it successfully.

I like to make sure that at every point of the day, my body has the nutrients it requires to build muscle / shed fat / fight infection / whatever. And I don't see how withholding food for extended periods of time can help ensure that the body has what it needs.

LXIX wrote: I agree that we are always learning and new knowledge shouldn't be disregarded.
And we don't always have knowledge of what the pros actually do to achieve their results but select any well-known bodybuilder at random and you will most likely see that they eat frequent meals. I know this to be true for the last 4 Olympia winners for what its worth.

To me, I can sooner accept the postulation that the body requires a steady stream of aminos, carbs and nutrients, rather than the assertion that it functions better by flooding it sporadically between long periods of fasting.

I understand the rationale behind intermittent fasting but but I don't personally side with it because the logic cannot be applied beyond what the marketing machine has created.
Some fast for the entire morning, other fast for a day at a time. So why not go 3 days without eating and then consumer a huge amount of calories on the forth?
Why not go without food a week and then slam 17500 calories in 1 go....?

That may sound sarcastic but its not meant to. People actually DO try go for days without nutrients and any sensible person can see the danger in that.

On the other extreme, meal partitioning may be annoying to friends and colleagues but it is risk-free and many many many people have used it successfully.

I like to make sure that at every point of the day, my body has the nutrients it requires to build muscle / shed fat / fight infection / whatever. And I don't see how withholding food for extended periods of time can help ensure that the body has what it needs.

I agree to a certain extent and my reasoning is because of different body types. The reality is you do get people who are for example “Carb sensitive” so once that is discovered the reasonable thing would be is to do a “low carb”diet to shed fat. Now low carb diets aren’t “balanced” so would you say that is non nutritional?

Lots of diets has its place in bodybuilding and I believe IF is one of them. It works, ive got experience and so have lots of others, at the end of the day your total daily calorie count is all that matters when it comes to shedding fat and I might get some flack here but if your deficit is 2500 kcals PCF per day and you cram it into 1 meal for the day you will still lose fat and maintain most muscle

Soxiante-neuf. I think we're trying to simplify this. When people do diets etc PROPERLY they also do the other things like exercise and correct macros.

The folk looking for "quick" fixes do nothing to change lifestyle and think they can lose weight easily. Hence the plethora of direct marketing sales gimmicks.

Humans are meant to be intermittent fasters. We weren't always able to have structured meals and eg Hunter-gatherers would gorge themselves on a meal because opportunity may not come for a while again.

If anything, in modern times, by having a surplus of foods available is probably what has mostly contributed to the obesity pandemic.

Lastly, we are all different and what works for one may not apply to another.

As for the top level guys, they obviously have the genes and more importantly, time to frequent meals. It would be interesting though to compare, but I believe those guys will do as well on a IF diet if structured correctly.

we are all different and what works for one may not apply to another.

Thank you so much!!! this is a post that deserves a thank you.

btw guys, my goal is fat loss after all, not to gain muscle.

and just to make mention about the pro builders frequent feeding thing.. they have SO MUCH of muscle on their frames that they lose muscle even when they sleep, hence the frequent feeding.. now i dont know anything about steroid use or huge muscles, but i do know, there are many ways to kill the cat - and this way is working just perfect.... FOR ME!

LXIX wrote: I agree that we are always learning and new knowledge shouldn't be disregarded.
And we don't always have knowledge of what the pros actually do to achieve their results but select any well-known bodybuilder at random and you will most likely see that they eat frequent meals. I know this to be true for the last 4 Olympia winners for what its worth.

To me, I can sooner accept the postulation that the body requires a steady stream of aminos, carbs and nutrients, rather than the assertion that it functions better by flooding it sporadically between long periods of fasting.

I understand the rationale behind intermittent fasting but but I don't personally side with it because the logic cannot be applied beyond what the marketing machine has created.
Some fast for the entire morning, other fast for a day at a time. So why not go 3 days without eating and then consumer a huge amount of calories on the forth?
Why not go without food a week and then slam 17500 calories in 1 go....?

That may sound sarcastic but its not meant to. People actually DO try go for days without nutrients and any sensible person can see the danger in that.

On the other extreme, meal partitioning may be annoying to friends and colleagues but it is risk-free and many many many people have used it successfully.

I like to make sure that at every point of the day, my body has the nutrients it requires to build muscle / shed fat / fight infection / whatever. And I don't see how withholding food for extended periods of time can help ensure that the body has what it needs.

This what I wanted to see- if you have something substantive on which you form your opinions or whether you form strong opinions based on your gut feeling, so kudos. I do not want to debate something like this so I will end it here. For the fans interested in this discussion I want to share something basic from the other side and an idea to ponder: for myself I used to do the normal eating regime under advisement from someone I paid for. I exercised my tits off 11 times a week in the gym! Intense weight training 5 times a week and fasted cardio every morning 30-mins with one day off, and I was dedicated. Calories were controlled at less than 2000. Results were shit even on Clen + Yoh + T3 + Test + Anavar. In 8 weeks I managed 2kg fat loss. I was at about 16% BF.
I recently did 4 weeks of keto exercising 3 times a week and no cardio, and lost 4kg. This fat is also very stubborn fat because it has been around my stomache for probably 20 years. Now I am at about 10% BF. I did this with nothing more than FFF (and of course a bag of tricks). I ate chocolate and muffins every day too because I have keto recipes.

So what am I putting to you? You need to find what works for your body. To say that everyone should eat equally spaced meals I think is bull! Everone should find what suits their genetics.

100% Pyro, I have to agree.

Keto worked for you, I did the 11 days training etc on Keto for 4 months, and did it properly.
My results were horrid and it was very demotivating.

When I changed to a calorie controlled diet including carbs but and ran at a 800 deficit, I also dropped the cardio(Had a newborn so needed to spend more time at home) and through in some Clen suddenly I was dropping 3 - 4kg a month which Keto could not do for me.

So I would agree everyone is different, and you need to find what works for you!

I'm really surprised at the variety of responses on this thread and I'd really like to read more. I tend to be formulaic in my approach, but maybe [train like x, eat like y, doesn't always equal result z].

I've interrogated dozens of bodybuilder diets and read hundreds of transformation stories and 99% of them utilise a frequent feeding protocol.
BUT that's not to say than many of these people don't utilise IF at certain stages of body comp and that (to me) is where the real benefit may lie.

Has anyone had experience using IF at significantly different levels of body comp?
Eg, A scenario where using IF was extremely effective at 15% bf but not at 7% (or visa versa).

Going off topic a bit here...
Hats off to those who had the courage to try such extreme (to me anyway) techniques and congrats to all who have attained results regardless of chosen method.