Pyroclasm's Keto Diet

MRfeathers
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24 May 2013 15:14 #139891 by MRfeathers

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i wouldnt go too intense for the sake of sparing muscle. if it works for Koe it works for him. like ive said before, how can you argue with someone that looks like that? so i wont

im just giving advice based on my personal experiences and what ive studied so far

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CHAPEL
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24 May 2013 15:41 - 24 May 2013 15:42 #139899 by CHAPEL

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145bpm is intense for walking steady state cardio. I think KOE is referring to intense as in, intense walking.

Make like a granny.

To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.

"You put the devil on the other side and I will come to fight." -Royce Gracie

Its legs day, legs day, gotta get down on legs day.

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24 May 2013 15:44 #139901 by CHAPEL

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Or am I missing it here? Didn't read the whole thread. Do you mean HIIT for cardio, or HIT for weights..?

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MRfeathers
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24 May 2013 16:12 #139908 by MRfeathers

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Pretty sure it was for the cardio

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Pyroclasm
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24 May 2013 16:16 #139909 by Pyroclasm

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I think it´s weights...

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Koe007
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24 May 2013 16:57 - 24 May 2013 16:59 #139912 by Koe007

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Pyroclasm wrote: I think it´s weights...

Lol its for weights guys I said go intense in your weight training session. I def wont advise hiit for cardii whilst on keto.
145 bpm is not to bad its about 65%-75% of max hr which is the fat burning zone.
45 min weight training can def work if it is intense enough,Chapel its similar to how we trained back bud! Quick but intense

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CHAPEL
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24 May 2013 17:33 #139917 by CHAPEL

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Ya went back and read the thread.

Eish.. Death haha.. I've never gone over 40min since I trained with you that way.

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24 May 2013 20:53 #139940 by GregB1

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Pyroclasm wrote: It's nothing it's not your fault bro! Would have never thought tomatoes would kick you out of ketosis. Shit now I am wondering what else might be a hidden crocodile that we are not thinking of.. Also sunflower oil is too high in poly-unsaturated fats so I am gonna give that one a miss.

Watch out for the red pepper also.

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Gerrard48
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29 May 2013 01:56 #140195 by Gerrard48

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Onions also contain carbs champ..

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Pyroclasm
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04 Jun 2013 15:09 #140760 by Pyroclasm

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What should I use for pre-workout and post-workout meals/shakes?

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MRfeathers
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04 Jun 2013 15:22 #140765 by MRfeathers

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something high in protein and fat, maybe have a whey shake with some nuts pre and just some creatine post

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GregB1
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04 Jun 2013 16:06 #140776 by GregB1

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3dt has zero carbs and zero sugar, so use that as a pre workout.

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Pyroclasm
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04 Jun 2013 18:08 #140789 by Pyroclasm

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MRfeathers wrote: something high in protein and fat, maybe have a whey shake with some nuts pre and just some creatine post

Creatine with no insulin spike?? :huh: Surely not!

Thanx Greg! Long time bro!

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MRfeathers
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04 Jun 2013 18:22 - 04 Jun 2013 18:25 #140792 by MRfeathers

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I know everyone says creatine without an in insulin spike is rendered useless. But in my opinion once creatine levels are saturated an insulin spike isn't completely necessary, (of course it is still beneficial) .. It takes time to saturate creatine levels so load it first.
I don't want to turn your thread into a debate because I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me.

All I can say is, I've done many Keto diets and I noticed a difference with and without it.
Creatine is so cheap, get 500g and let me know if you notice a difference?

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MRfeathers
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04 Jun 2013 18:38 #140794 by MRfeathers

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By the way when are you starting? How much you looking to lose? Ever done Keto before? Like long walks on the beach?

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Pyroclasm
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04 Jun 2013 20:20 #140799 by Pyroclasm

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Started today! Also started the FST-7 program and did my very first FST-7 cable crossovers. Two virginities in one day = achievement unlocked? Dude everybody likes long walks on the beach! Did you learn NOTHING from online dating??? (To all the haters it´s just a joke!) I like long walks on the beach if they lead to sex on the beach. lol

I think I want to lose about 8kgs. Gonna disagree with you on the Creatine because the bio-availability is like 12% without an insulin spike. But noone´s debating.

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VonD
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04 Jun 2013 20:23 #140802 by VonD

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Whats your current stats bud?

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Thunderbeast
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04 Jun 2013 20:29 #140804 by Thunderbeast

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I dont think fst-7 and keto go well together...

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Pyroclasm
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04 Jun 2013 20:32 #140805 by Pyroclasm

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Why do you say that TB? Interested to hear if you have done it yourself and your ideas..

Stats
1.86m
24 Years
86.3kgs
Wang size: 1,5m

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Pyroclasm
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04 Jun 2013 20:37 #140807 by Pyroclasm

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Bodyfat +-16%

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Thunderbeast
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04 Jun 2013 20:45 - 04 Jun 2013 20:46 #140808 by Thunderbeast

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Pyroclasm wrote: Why do you say that TB? Interested to hear if you have done it yourself and your ideas..

Stats
1.86m
24 Years
86.3kgs
Wang size: 1,5m

fuckit, im like the 130kg you....

Keto works best with DC style training or Dorian Yates style training. (Low volume and heavy heavy heavy weights)
With fasted LISS cardio in the morning.

This approach works for me, cool thing is you can manage to shed 10kg in like 6 weeks that way (well I have a lot to lose)

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Thunderbeast
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04 Jun 2013 20:49 #140809 by Thunderbeast

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FST-7 type training was designed around a diet with lots of carbs and pre- intra- and postworkout drinks with lots of aminos, creatine and fast carbs...

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GregB1
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04 Jun 2013 20:53 #140810 by GregB1

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Dont use creatine while on keto, u dont retain water on keto anyway. My opinion :whistle:

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Pyroclasm
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04 Jun 2013 20:59 #140811 by Pyroclasm

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Thing is I have read LOTS of opinions on keto and everyone sings a different tune with regards to the training style. Honestly don´t know what to believe anymore! Until I find an answer I am gonna go ahead with the FST-7 because it´s nice and intense and it makes me sweat a lot whichis what I need seeing as I don´t have a cardio session.

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Thunderbeast
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04 Jun 2013 21:00 #140812 by Thunderbeast

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In essence, FST-7 style training on a keto diet is going to leave you PAP in week or 3...

Just use creatine EE or HCL on keto... I agree with MrFeathers statement on creatine above...

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