Equi-350 / Test prop / Winstrol

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03 Apr 2012 08:00 #99324 by Steve0722
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Hey people,

New to the forum, and excited on some new insites.

First things first, my stats :

Height : 1.74m
Weight : 85kg
Bf % : 13%

Cycle History :

Cycle 1 : Deca / Dianabol 5 weeks ( kessar pct)
Cycle 2 : Deca / Cypionate 10 weeks Dianabol 5 weeks ( pregnyl kessar pct)
Cycle 3 : Test e / Stanazol 8 weeks ( pregnyl kessar pct)
Cycle 4 : Test e / Tren e 8 weeks ( pregnyl pct)

When I started out, my weight was 58kg, have gained quite a lot, BUT i'm looking for something new.

My goals are to get bigger but loose the bulky puffy look, want to get hard and big. Dont mind to loose weight, but dont want to loose SIZE.

So in doing some research for this cycle first thing that came to mind is, No or little water retention, no acne and lean mass.

So i came up with this :

Week 1 - 15 : 700mg equi-350
week 1 - 10 : 200mg test prop
week 11 - 15 : 40mg winstrol per day

Pct :

week 16 - 18 : pregnyl 1500ui's per week
week 16 - 20 : 10mg per day kessar

if I'm talking about diet, i'm talking about 5 small meals a day with 2 protein shakes (1 after gym and 1 before bed)

Some advise on to get bigger and leaner would be much appreciated and would love to hear what works for you guys? Maybe a better cycle or some tricks you have up your sleeves?

Thank you

Steve

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03 Apr 2012 08:11 #99325 by gorilla
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Your goals are going to be diet related, so post it up and we can see if youre on the right track.

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03 Apr 2012 09:01 #99329 by getting big
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Up your test p to 450mg per week and winny to 50mg per day and get your diet in check. Make sure your getting enough protein and calories in general. The rest of the cycle looks fine

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03 Apr 2012 09:09 #99330 by gorilla
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Yes it looks good bro, maybe run the test longer for the full 15 weeks and switch to a longer ester, the reason for this is it will save you money and then you can add in prop at week 16 start until 2 weeks before pct, pct starts 8 weeks after last EQ shot, then in the last few weeks before pct add in the winny @ 50mg daily, maybe some proviron @ 40-50mg as well.

This is more practical, because if you stop at week 15's end what are you going to do for the final 8 weeks?

PS: Hope you have a good pct planned. I would recommend pct no3 in the download sections.

Good luck and hope all goes well with the cycle.

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03 Apr 2012 13:25 #99391 by getting big
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Sorry gorilla I have to disagree with you there. Pct should start sooner than 8 weeks. You need to go on the time of the type of test your using. So if you gonna use test e then pct needs to be started at around 21 days after last shot. 8 weeks is to long he will lose to much if it is left for that long.

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03 Apr 2012 13:30 #99392 by VonD
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@getting big

Test e has a half life of 10days pct will start 30days after last shot.

Pct starts 50days after last shot as equi half live is 16.5 days.

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03 Apr 2012 13:49 #99394 by Empire
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Getting big u are very much mis informed with 21days... Its due to the longest half life, if u are injecting 1000mg and the half life of an ester is 7 days,u need to wait untill there is less than 100mg left in the system to start pct, so 1000mg after 7 days is 500mg, after another 7 days is 250mg after another 7 days 125 mg, another 7 days and u can start pct when the levels are 62.5mg in the system.that is why in that period u use short ester orals such as anavar winstrol proviron oral turinabol so you do not loose must whilst waiting for pct to start.

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03 Apr 2012 14:57 #99400 by gorilla
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Not gonna say i told you so, hahaha :P

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03 Apr 2012 16:32 #99413 by Steve0722
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Thanks for your help guys, so what i can summarize for what i can see is :

Up my test prop to at least 3ml per week or use test enanthate.
Question on this, as i'm looking for a more harder look, wont the enanthate bloat me and give me a lot of water retention? What can i use or do to minimize the water retention? More water or what?

Was thinking of my PCT, so I'm going to inject 1000mg - 1200mg(700mg equi-350 and 300mg test prop or 500mg test e). So from what i'm reading her is i should wait another 28 - 35 days before i start my pregnyl and kessar?

Thus :

week 1 - 15 : 700mg equi-350
week 5 - 15 : 500mg test e
week 15 - 19 : 40mg winstrol or 40mg turinabol

week 19 : Start PCT

Do i understand it right?

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03 Apr 2012 16:35 #99415 by gorilla
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Week 1-15: EQ
Week 5-15: Test e
Week 15-19: Test prop
Week 19-23: Winstrol+Proviron
Week 23 ends - Pct starts

Pct: Clomid,nolva,hcg,aromasin

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03 Apr 2012 16:39 #99418 by Steve0722
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Thanks gorilla, very helpfull info!

Looking forward to this cycle.

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03 Apr 2012 16:43 #99419 by VonD
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gorilla wrote: Week 1-15: EQ
Week 5-15: Test e
Week 15-19: Test prop
Week 19-23: Winstrol+Proviron
Week 23 ends - Pct starts

Pct: Clomid,nolva,hcg,aromasin


why not run the test from week 1??

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03 Apr 2012 16:46 #99420 by gorilla
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Seems he is on a budget, that way he only has to buy to viles.

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03 Apr 2012 16:49 #99421 by Steve0722
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Would have to go rethink this, you make a good point there, but would say that equipoise only kick in from around week 6 and test e will have kicked in around end of week 6.

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03 Apr 2012 16:55 #99422 by Eidolon
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gorilla wrote: Seems he is on a budget, that way he only has to buy to viles.


No ways dude. Test is dirt cheap. I'd rather drop the proviron and run it from week 1.

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03 Apr 2012 17:00 #99423 by gorilla
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Oh yeah didnt think of that! :oops:

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03 Apr 2012 17:29 #99425 by VonD
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agree with eidolon...

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03 Apr 2012 20:58 #99441 by spike
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If youre on a budget ditch the test prop and run enanthate from week 1

Um, but im scared of needles...

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03 Apr 2012 21:00 #99442 by spike
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You are over complicating what should be a basic cycle. No need for test prop here. Just enanthate and equi run together for 15 weeks, then run proviron and winstrol up to pct. Keep it simple mate

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04 Apr 2012 05:56 #99471 by gorilla
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8 weeks till pct after last eq shot, I wouldnt really run winny and proviron for 8 weeks. Maybe 6 yes, i suggest you take 2 weeks off after last EQ shot and run winny for 6 weeks @50mg ED, add proviron if you can. Simple

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04 Apr 2012 07:31 #99477 by Steve0722
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I agree with you, think the following will be best for me :

week 1 - 15 : equip
week 1 - 15 : test e
week 16 - 20 : winstrol and provirion
week 21 - : pct

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04 Apr 2012 13:50 - 04 Apr 2012 13:50 #99526 by Slabbie
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You dont get it do you? Pct has to start 8 weeks after last eq shot not 4. Read throughh the pct article there are these tables with the pct start times in.

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04 Apr 2012 14:18 #99533 by Empire
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you dont get it either do you slabbie its actually 6.5 weeks, he needs the amount to be less than 100mg in the system so 700mg 16 days later will be 350mg,16 days after thant 175mg,16 days after than is 82.5mg which is roughly 6 weeks. so last shot of equipoise in week 15,starting pct at the end of week 21 is fine.

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04 Apr 2012 14:25 #99534 by Slabbie
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DJ wrote: you dont get it either do you slabbie its actually 6.5 weeks, he needs the amount to be less than 100mg in the system so 700mg 16 days later will be 350mg,16 days after thant 175mg,16 days after than is 82.5mg which is roughly 6 weeks. so last shot of equipoise in week 15,starting pct at the end of week 21 is fine.


mmm, never thought of it that way? I thought its a general rule of thumb. And why exactly 100mg? Dont the testes produces like 80mg weekly max?

Sorry steve... :oops: Guess you do get it! +1 ;)

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04 Apr 2012 14:28 #99536 by Empire
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its under 100mg is when most pcts start, by the time you have run the clomid for the first 7 days the dose will be even lower than that,so when you start your hcg,kessar and aromasin you will be in the clear for a full recovery.

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