Equi-350 / Test prop / Winstrol

Hey people,

New to the forum, and excited on some new insites.

First things first, my stats :

Height : 1.74m
Weight : 85kg
Bf % : 13%

Cycle History :

Cycle 1 : Deca / Dianabol 5 weeks ( kessar pct)
Cycle 2 : Deca / Cypionate 10 weeks Dianabol 5 weeks ( pregnyl kessar pct)
Cycle 3 : Test e / Stanazol 8 weeks ( pregnyl kessar pct)
Cycle 4 : Test e / Tren e 8 weeks ( pregnyl pct)

When I started out, my weight was 58kg, have gained quite a lot, BUT i'm looking for something new.

My goals are to get bigger but loose the bulky puffy look, want to get hard and big. Dont mind to loose weight, but dont want to loose SIZE.

So in doing some research for this cycle first thing that came to mind is, No or little water retention, no acne and lean mass.

So i came up with this :

Week 1 - 15 : 700mg equi-350
week 1 - 10 : 200mg test prop
week 11 - 15 : 40mg winstrol per day

Pct :

week 16 - 18 : pregnyl 1500ui's per week
week 16 - 20 : 10mg per day kessar

if I'm talking about diet, i'm talking about 5 small meals a day with 2 protein shakes (1 after gym and 1 before bed)

Some advise on to get bigger and leaner would be much appreciated and would love to hear what works for you guys? Maybe a better cycle or some tricks you have up your sleeves?

Thank you

Steve

Your goals are going to be diet related, so post it up and we can see if youre on the right track.

Up your test p to 450mg per week and winny to 50mg per day and get your diet in check. Make sure your getting enough protein and calories in general. The rest of the cycle looks fine

Yes it looks good bro, maybe run the test longer for the full 15 weeks and switch to a longer ester, the reason for this is it will save you money and then you can add in prop at week 16 start until 2 weeks before pct, pct starts 8 weeks after last EQ shot, then in the last few weeks before pct add in the winny @ 50mg daily, maybe some proviron @ 40-50mg as well.

This is more practical, because if you stop at week 15's end what are you going to do for the final 8 weeks?

PS: Hope you have a good pct planned. I would recommend pct no3 in the download sections.

Good luck and hope all goes well with the cycle.

Sorry gorilla I have to disagree with you there. Pct should start sooner than 8 weeks. You need to go on the time of the type of test your using. So if you gonna use test e then pct needs to be started at around 21 days after last shot. 8 weeks is to long he will lose to much if it is left for that long.

@getting big

Test e has a half life of 10days pct will start 30days after last shot.

Pct starts 50days after last shot as equi half live is 16.5 days.

Getting big u are very much mis informed with 21days... Its due to the longest half life, if u are injecting 1000mg and the half life of an ester is 7 days,u need to wait untill there is less than 100mg left in the system to start pct, so 1000mg after 7 days is 500mg, after another 7 days is 250mg after another 7 days 125 mg, another 7 days and u can start pct when the levels are 62.5mg in the system.that is why in that period u use short ester orals such as anavar winstrol proviron oral turinabol so you do not loose must whilst waiting for pct to start.

Not gonna say i told you so, hahaha

Thanks for your help guys, so what i can summarize for what i can see is :

Up my test prop to at least 3ml per week or use test enanthate.
Question on this, as i'm looking for a more harder look, wont the enanthate bloat me and give me a lot of water retention? What can i use or do to minimize the water retention? More water or what?

Was thinking of my PCT, so I'm going to inject 1000mg - 1200mg(700mg equi-350 and 300mg test prop or 500mg test e). So from what i'm reading her is i should wait another 28 - 35 days before i start my pregnyl and kessar?

Thus :

week 1 - 15 : 700mg equi-350
week 5 - 15 : 500mg test e
week 15 - 19 : 40mg winstrol or 40mg turinabol

week 19 : Start PCT

Do i understand it right?

Week 1-15: EQ
Week 5-15: Test e
Week 15-19: Test prop
Week 19-23: Winstrol+Proviron
Week 23 ends - Pct starts

Pct: Clomid,nolva,hcg,aromasin

Thanks gorilla, very helpfull info!

Looking forward to this cycle.

gorilla wrote: Week 1-15: EQ
Week 5-15: Test e
Week 15-19: Test prop
Week 19-23: Winstrol+Proviron
Week 23 ends - Pct starts

Pct: Clomid,nolva,hcg,aromasin

why not run the test from week 1??

Seems he is on a budget, that way he only has to buy to viles.

Would have to go rethink this, you make a good point there, but would say that equipoise only kick in from around week 6 and test e will have kicked in around end of week 6.

gorilla wrote: Seems he is on a budget, that way he only has to buy to viles.

No ways dude. Test is dirt cheap. I'd rather drop the proviron and run it from week 1.

Oh yeah didnt think of that! :oops:

agree with eidolon...

If youre on a budget ditch the test prop and run enanthate from week 1

You are over complicating what should be a basic cycle. No need for test prop here. Just enanthate and equi run together for 15 weeks, then run proviron and winstrol up to pct. Keep it simple mate

8 weeks till pct after last eq shot, I wouldnt really run winny and proviron for 8 weeks. Maybe 6 yes, i suggest you take 2 weeks off after last EQ shot and run winny for 6 weeks @50mg ED, add proviron if you can. Simple

I agree with you, think the following will be best for me :

week 1 - 15 : equip
week 1 - 15 : test e
week 16 - 20 : winstrol and provirion
week 21 - : pct

You dont get it do you? Pct has to start 8 weeks after last eq shot not 4. Read throughh the pct article there are these tables with the pct start times in.

you dont get it either do you slabbie its actually 6.5 weeks, he needs the amount to be less than 100mg in the system so 700mg 16 days later will be 350mg,16 days after thant 175mg,16 days after than is 82.5mg which is roughly 6 weeks. so last shot of equipoise in week 15,starting pct at the end of week 21 is fine.

DJ wrote: you dont get it either do you slabbie its actually 6.5 weeks, he needs the amount to be less than 100mg in the system so 700mg 16 days later will be 350mg,16 days after thant 175mg,16 days after than is 82.5mg which is roughly 6 weeks. so last shot of equipoise in week 15,starting pct at the end of week 21 is fine.

mmm, never thought of it that way? I thought its a general rule of thumb. And why exactly 100mg? Dont the testes produces like 80mg weekly max?

Sorry steve... :oops: Guess you do get it! +1

its under 100mg is when most pcts start, by the time you have run the clomid for the first 7 days the dose will be even lower than that,so when you start your hcg,kessar and aromasin you will be in the clear for a full recovery.