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Just wanted to know whether one could run a winny proviron cycle for say 4 to 6 weeks just to add a bit of vascularity and burn away some fat and add some strength etc.
Would it work? Im not expecting miracles, i just want to lean out a bit and stuff, my diet is quite decent these days and I do quite alot of cardio too.
What sort of PCT would I need to run with this if any?
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Can you explain to me why that particular PCT is needed? I have been reading the different stuff in the articles section and I kinda got the feeling that one doesnt really need a PCT for this type of course
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ok danny.
so exactly what do you wanna do.
this kind of cycle is very expensive.
is your diet 100%
what is your stats
maybe just use yombine and clen or fof to help you to loose some fat. maybe just do a bit of cutting and see if your not happy with the results.
remember if your diet is bad it wont make any impact.
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gab wrote: pct should be directly after your last tab. so wait one day. half life of both products is 1.5 days.
ok danny.
so exactly what do you wanna do.
this kind of cycle is very expensive.
is your diet 100%
what is your stats
maybe just use yombine and clen or fof to help you to loose some fat. maybe just do a bit of cutting and see if your not happy with the results.
remember if your diet is bad it wont make any impact.
Don't really agree with you. There will be some kind of natural supression taking place here so a lite pct would be advisable. As for the start of the pct: proviron has a half life of 12hrs and winni is 8hrs. That means pct should start 1.5days after las winni. So you are partly correct there. Also this is not a expensive cycle, its actually dirt cheap. Not a adviseable complete cycle but also not a complete waste of money with a good diet (depending on your goals). Would have been a complete waste for somebody wanting to bulk or have good lean gains. Horses for courses
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Guys, don't be so fast to shut things down, let the guy give it a shot, this constant one track mind that seems to be seeping in on the forum is getting frustrating. And honestly, flame away but that's just my 5c
However, danny everyone here is right in saying that cardio and diet is what you need for a proper 'cutting' cycle, i'm sure you already know that though..
PS- you may want to consider changing that pic.. After all, steroids are illegal..
To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.
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im not discouraging him. i just asked him his details and goals.
allot of the time guys dont need to do gear as they can get buy just on eating right.
he said he didnt want to go big just some strength and fuller muscles. that you can achieve without gear and lot of protiens.
thats just my 5 cents
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@dannyboy: Give it a shot if you like bro, but keep all options in mind. Many ways to kill a cat.
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gorilla wrote: Now chapel don't get me wrong, im not saying it wont work but the same results can be made with less strain on your body. he can also save money that way. My argument is, why take roids when you can do the same, if not better, without them.
@dannyboy: Give it a shot if you like bro, but keep all options in mind. Many ways to kill a cat.
I promise you that you won't get the same results by just doing cardio and eating correct as you would get from doing cardio/good diet and that winni cycle. Winni has a profound effect on strength gains and hardening up. If you allready have a low bf you will fall in love with the results
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Na I don't see a problem with him trying it out and seeing if his body enjoys it, its not like he is doing a stupid experiment or something that could drastically harm him.
To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.
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Why dont you stack winny,proviron,clen and prop for 8 weeks and pct with clomid nolva. That should provide insane results combined with diet and cardio.
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@gab and @CHAPEL - thats not me in the pic lol, its heinrich brussow from the free state cheetahs, i wish I looked like that :lol:
Ok my stats are as follows: Age 22, height 178cm, weight 79KG, BF is lingering around the 12% mark.
I did change up my diet a few months back, am still trying to be more disciplined about it as I do cheat a bit too much on it, I definitely need to drop the carbs a little bit and maybe throw some more protein in. As far as supplementation goes, I am on creatine mono and glutamine and DAA at the moment, supplied by Ondier
When I was still stupid and didnt know abt roids, one of my mates gave me some Dianabol which i ran for abt 4 weeks, picked up about 6 or 7 kgs, diet was KAK! lost alot of that weight, and now have gained it all back naturally again
@ CHAPEL - I do know that dieting and cardio are good for cutting, thankfully this forum has taught me a hell of alot of good stuff, Im not exactly sure how much cardio I should be doing tho? What would u guys recommend? At the moment im doing about a 2km jog per day after gym.
At the end of the day I want to hit about 85 to 90 kg's, I want to be lean and hard, and I want to be discliplined enuf to keep it there, I definitely do not expect overnigth results, it would be nice to use some AAS to get there, but if you guys think that I should try and perfect my diet and cardio first then I definitely respect that.
Fire away with advice
EDIT: @Gorilla - Yes i'd love some nice vascularity as well, would love to run a course as you're suggesting but I dont know if Im disclipined enough with diet yet?
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Oh ok well that changes everything, if this is supposed to be your first cycle then no, rather do the beginners cycle not an oral only one.
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dannyboy wrote: Wow ok, so many replies I dont know where to start haha, its awesome to have such an active forum!
@gab and @CHAPEL - thats not me in the pic lol, its heinrich brussow from the free state cheetahs, i wish I looked like that :lol:
Ok my stats are as follows: Age 22, height 178cm, weight 79KG, BF is lingering around the 12% mark.
I did change up my diet a few months back, am still trying to be more disciplined about it as I do cheat a bit too much on it, I definitely need to drop the carbs a little bit and maybe throw some more protein in. As far as supplementation goes, I am on creatine mono and glutamine and DAA at the moment, supplied by Ondier
When I was still stupid and didnt know abt roids, one of my mates gave me some Dianabol which i ran for abt 4 weeks, picked up about 6 or 7 kgs, diet was KAK! lost alot of that weight, and now have gained it all back naturally againI have gone up from 72kg's to 79 now
this is over 3 months now just by eating better and training kak hard!
@ CHAPEL - I do know that dieting and cardio are good for cutting, thankfully this forum has taught me a hell of alot of good stuff, Im not exactly sure how much cardio I should be doing tho? What would u guys recommend? At the moment im doing about a 2km jog per day after gym.
At the end of the day I want to hit about 85 to 90 kg's, I want to be lean and hard, and I want to be discliplined enuf to keep it there, I definitely do not expect overnigth results, it would be nice to use some AAS to get there, but if you guys think that I should try and perfect my diet and cardio first then I definitely respect that.
Fire away with advice
EDIT: @Gorilla - Yes i'd love some nice vascularity as well, would love to run a course as you're suggesting but I dont know if Im disclipined enough with diet yet?
ok meneer.
90 kg is far from just having a fuller look and a bit of strength.
winny is not going to get you there very fast.
your going to need some serious food intake and some test. gaining 10-20kg will be hard work and even harder eating.
you have to bulk first and then cut.
thats what i will do
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For now I want to break 80kg's and be leaner and harder. So what do you guys recommend in terms of cardio and what else can i throw into my diet for more protein?
lets forget about the roids for now and help me perfect my diet and stuff.
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Once that goal is completed, I will look at hitting a nice course or something to then go for the golden 90, ripped to shreds and so forth
Can DJ help fix my diet and stuff?
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dannyboy wrote: For now my goal is to go from 79 to lets say 83ish kilos, lets say drop bf to 9 or 10 percent, and be fit and strong
or fitter and stronger should i say.
Once that goal is completed, I will look at hitting a nice course or something to then go for the golden 90, ripped to shreds and so forth
Can DJ help fix my diet and stuff?
Yeah bro 4kgs can be done without juice and 3% drop in bodyfat as well.Although you cant do it together, contact us page,admin,ask for djs email.
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I have a mate of mine who is wanting to lean up a bit on a first cycle of Test prop and anavar... He'll get great lean gains, and will avoid too much water as well
Um, but im scared of needles...
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