Dbol, Super test, Test Prop & Winny Cycle - Advice

Hi all

My Stats
Age: 23
Height: 185cm
Weight: 81kgs
BF %: +- 12%

Second Cycle:

Week 1-4: OC Labs Dbol 40mg ed
Week 1-12: PGW Super test 512mg/week (1.6ml split Mon & Thur)

I have Letro on hand if any gyno symptoms occur.

Week 12-19: Waiting period

PCT
Week 20: Clomid 2 x 50mg ed
Week 21-25: Tamoxifene 20mg ed


Advice needed:
1) 7 weeks waiting period before PCT is long, any suggestions for bridging?
Was thinking of Test Prop, Winny but not sure of dosage and when to start/finish?
2) PCT, I can get Ovidrol 6500IU, dosage and when to start/finish?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Get enanthate or cypionate. Bridge with winny 50mg ED and proviron 25mg ED. Check out pct number 2 or 3 perhaps.. www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/downloads

Nothing wrong with supertest.

1.6ml is fine but you will have 4 ml left i would say do 2ml a week then.
you can also swop your dbol for oral turinabol for less water.


bridge with winstrol @ 50mg a day.although 7 weeks can be a long time on winstrol.
25mg of proviron will do nothing.50mg of proviron.
get some HCG in that PCT of yours.

VonD wrote: Nothing wrong with supertest.

1.6ml is fine but you will have 4 ml left i would say do 2ml a week then.
you can also swop your dbol for oral turinabol for less water.


bridge with winstrol @ 50mg a day.although 7 weeks can be a long time on winstrol.
25mg of proviron will do nothing.50mg of proviron.
get some HCG in that PCT of yours.

Didnt say theres anything wrong with it but your looking to pin twice a week, that means you wont get the full effect of all the esters. And you have to go 7 weeks before pct. 25mg proviron with 50mg winstrol ED during a bridge IS enough as winny and proviron lowers SHBG and thus give a synergisstic effect. Its just much easier with enanthate and its out your system quicker. Why did you pick supertest?

Thanks for the reply guys

To throw a spanner in the works, I should've mentioned I'm in week 1 (pinned twice so far).
I have all the gear except for the bridge period and HCG which I want to figure out so tat I can go get it ASAP.

@VonD: When do you suggest I start and stop the winstrol & poviron? I will be doing the Super test for 12 weeks so there should be 0.8ml left whereas if the cycle was 10 weeks I would have 4ml left. Should I rather up dosage to 2ml per week and drop the cycle length from 12 weeks till 10 or keep dosage and length as is?

@gorilla: 7 Weeks is a major bummer but my previous cycle was a dbol, test E, winnmy cycle and just wanted to try something else this time around.

no the 1.6ml for 12 weeks is fine bro.

start winny week 13 and run it till the day before pct same for the proviron.

If your going to wait 7 weeks to pct why not use prop? stop the prop 2 weeks prior to pct then add the orals.

gorilla, do you suggest?

Week 13-17: Test prop 100mg x 3 per week?
Week 18-19: Winstrol 50mg ed & Proviron 50mg ed
Week 20: PCT

Yes. Maybe up the prop dose to 150 but thats really not neccesary.

Its super test guys, super tests longest ester is cyprionate, but here is the thing,the dose of cyprionate is only going to be 160mg maximum,and to get that to below 50mg u will only need to wait 25days. Which is 4 weeks.

gorilla wrote: And you have to go 7 weeks before pct.

Huh? Why 7 weeks?

gorilla wrote: If your going to wait 7 weeks to pct why not use prop? stop the prop 2 weeks prior to pct then add the orals.

Dude, seriously. Stop giving advice until you know what you're talking about.

DJ wrote: Its super test guys, super tests longest ester is cyprionate, but here is the thing,the dose of cyprionate is only going to be 160mg maximum,and to get that to below 50mg u will only need to wait 25days. Which is 4 weeks.

Have always wondered this but why don't we apply the same reasoning to sustanon? The undecanoate ester is not that much but I see people saying wait 54 days for PCT?

Im planning to wait 35days after my last supertest pin to start PCT

Eidolon wrote:

gorilla wrote: If your going to wait 7 weeks to pct why not use prop? stop the prop 2 weeks prior to pct then add the orals.

Dude, seriously. Stop giving advice until you know what you're talking about.

WTF! www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

rade Name Chemical Name Half-Life Waiting period
Anapolon 50 Oxymetholone 8 to 9 hours 1.5 days
Anavar 20 Oxandrolone 9 hours 1.5 days
Deca 350 Nandrolone Decanoate 15 days 45 Days
Dianabol 10 Methandrostenolone 4.5 to 6 hours 1 day
Equi 350 Boldenone Undeclynate 16.5 days 50 days
Halotestin 10 Fluoxymesterone 9.5 hours 1.5 days
Masteron 100 Drostanolone Propionate 4.5 days 14 days
Masteron 150 Drostanolone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Nandro-Prop 150 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 5.5 days 16 days
Oral Primobolan Methenolone Acetate 4 to 8 hours 1 day
Oral Turinabol 20 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone 16 hours 2 days
Oral Winstrol Stanozolol 9 hours 1.5 days
Primo 200 Methenolone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Prop 100 Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days 14 days
Proviron 20 Mesterolone 12 to 13 hours 1.5 days
Super Test 320 / Sustanon Testosterone Blend 18 days 54 days
Testen 300 Testosterone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Testocyp 250 Testosterone Cypionate 12 days 36 days
Tren 150 Trenbolone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days

Stop hating on me and read.

Total mg dosage,most guys do 750mg of sust a week, so that's still 2x the half life minimum to wait.

gorilla wrote: Stop hating on me and read.

There's no hating here, dude. The longest ester in Supertest is cypionate, with a half life of 12 days. So 36 day wait until PCT. Sust has the deconoate ester, which has a HL of 15 days. 45 day wait until PCT.

ABC01 wrote: Im planning to wait 35days after my last supertest pin to start PCT

That's how I have it too. Perhaps Admin can explain why he states 54 days in his article Perhaps the composition of the supertest has changed since he wrote that.

remember there was that whole process where PCT times changed.. I vaguely remember something along those lines.. Probably hasn't been changed since then

As I understand it then, the appropriate waiting period for the Super Test would be 36 day (definitely better than 54 days).

What would you guys suggest be a proper bridge for week 13-17?
Winstrol & Proviron
Winstrol & Test Prop
Any other suggestions?

Here's how i'd run the cycle

Week 1 - 11 Supertest 160mg eod
Week 1 - 11 Test prop 50mg eod
Week 12 - 14 Test Prop 100mg eod
Week 12 - 15 Winny 40mg ed

Week 16 start PCT

gorilla wrote: Didnt say theres anything wrong with it but your looking to pin twice a week, that means you wont get the full effect of all the esters. And you have to go 7 weeks before pct. 25mg proviron with 50mg winstrol ED during a bridge IS enough as winny and proviron lowers SHBG and thus give a synergisstic effect. Its just much easier with enanthate and its out your system quicker. Why did you pick supertest?

You do not need to pin SuperTest or Sustanon EOD. Twice a week is fine, as everytime you pin long esters your levels peak, and then drop off, but the short esters in supertest help to bridge these gaps. It is better to pin SuperTest or Sust twice a week than Test Cyp and TestEn twice a week.

Also, SHBG lower blah blahs are all crap and should not factor into the equation.

kwilliams wrote: Hi all

My Stats
Age: 23
Height: 185cm
Weight: 81kgs
BF %: +- 12%

Second Cycle:

Week 1-4: OC Labs Dbol 40mg ed
Week 1-12: PGW Super test 512mg/week (1.6ml split Mon & Thur)

I have Letro on hand if any gyno symptoms occur.

Week 12-19: Waiting period

PCT
Week 20: Clomid 2 x 50mg ed
Week 21-25: Tamoxifene 20mg ed


Advice needed:
1) 7 weeks waiting period before PCT is long, any suggestions for bridging?
Was thinking of Test Prop, Winny but not sure of dosage and when to start/finish?
2) PCT, I can get Ovidrol 6500IU, dosage and when to start/finish?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Your cycle looks great bud, twelve weeks is good. You can wait four weeks (wk 13-16) then start the ovidrel at week 17 at 500iu EOD for two weeks (use up the whole thing). Start the tamoxifen concurrently and run it out for a couple of weeks longer after cessation of the hCG. You can run the clomid at the end of the hCG or at the end of the tamoxifen since you have it already.
If you are looking for some change ups on your bridge from your last cycle, then it's either the TProp 100mg EOD or perhaps TBol 60mg ED

Inja wrote:

kwilliams wrote: Hi all

My Stats
Age: 23
Height: 185cm
Weight: 81kgs
BF %: +- 12%

Second Cycle:

Week 1-4: OC Labs Dbol 40mg ed
Week 1-12: PGW Super test 512mg/week (1.6ml split Mon & Thur)

I have Letro on hand if any gyno symptoms occur.

Week 12-19: Waiting period

PCT
Week 20: Clomid 2 x 50mg ed
Week 21-25: Tamoxifene 20mg ed


Advice needed:
1) 7 weeks waiting period before PCT is long, any suggestions for bridging?
Was thinking of Test Prop, Winny but not sure of dosage and when to start/finish?
2) PCT, I can get Ovidrol 6500IU, dosage and when to start/finish?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Your cycle looks great bud, twelve weeks is good. You can wait four weeks (wk 13-16) then start the ovidrel at week 17 at 500iu EOD for two weeks (use up the whole thing). Start the tamoxifen concurrently and run it out for a couple of weeks longer after cessation of the hCG. You can run the clomid at the end of the hCG or at the end of the tamoxifen since you have it already.
If you are looking for some change ups on your bridge from your last cycle, then it's either the TProp 100mg EOD or perhaps TBol 60mg ED

You will be happy with the Tbol. Im currently running it as a frontload on my supertest cycle at 60mg/day for 5 weeks and i could feel it kick on day 4. Its quickly overtaking anavar as my favourite oral but i'll judge that after 5 weeks. Try it!

Only 81Kg at 1.85m? You need help with your eating more than gear boet. You need to fix your diet first. Diet advice would be more beneficial to you. What are you eating every day?