putting together my first cycle

Hullo all!

I am putting together my 1st cycle and I'm hoping you guys can help

I've already got two of the Testaplex 200 by Axio Labs.

Now all I need is my PCT and Arimidex. I just took a look around the site's info and I saw the PCT section.

1)It only includes Ovidrel in Doctari's PCT. Can I use it instead of pregnyl even though I'll only being doing a cycle of test cyp?

2)I was going to do 500mg test cyp per week for 8 weeks. My testaplex has 200mg per 1ml.
Instead of 500mg for 8 weeks can I do 400mg (2ml) for 10 weeks? Or is that dosage not worth it?

Oh and the rest of my PCT will include your nolvadex and clomid as shown in the PCT number 1!

Thanks!

Hey bud

Everyone is gonna ask this so can you provide us with your stats and how is your diet looking?

As for pct, if you read the article section you will see that a clomid and kessar pct will be sufficient. But i'd add winny to bridge to pct.

So give us some more info on yourself and we can help you further.

My understandng is ovidrel better than pregnyl so I'd say yes.

But as fakey says, post your stats so that the knowledgable guys can help you out, in the mean time go have a look at some of the sample cycles.

Buy another testaplex 200 then you can run 2.5 ml a week(500mg).12week cycle then.
Also what are you frontloading with??
And are you using winny to bridge?
Do you have an AI on hand like letro or adex?
Pct no.2 Would be more than fine for your cycle you want to run.

Ps-Why do you use Axio???

Damn VonD, frontload, bridging, adex, increased test.....its the guys FIRST cycle!

@Stanabolic....Test only for a first cycle is just fine. You don't need to add something for a frontload. As for bridging, wait a bit till ur more experienced enough and when u start adding other compounds. As for the test, 400mg/week for 10 weeks is just perfect. Extra 100mg won't make that big a difference and u will respond great on test alone at that dose for a first timer. No need for adex as u won't know if u are prone to gyno or not so rather get some letro. IF gyno signs appear then use the letro. Pointless running something expensive like adex if u not even sure if ur gyno prone. As for PCT the standard clomiphene, tamofixen and HCG will be sufficient.

MCJ wrote: Damn VonD, frontload, bridging, adex, increased test.....its the guys FIRST cycle!

@Stanabolic....Test only for a first cycle is just fine. You don't need to add something for a frontload. As for bridging, wait a bit till ur more experienced enough and when u start adding other compounds. As for the test, 400mg/week for 10 weeks is just perfect. Extra 100mg won't make that big a difference and u will respond great on test alone at that dose for a first timer. No need for adex as u won't know if u are prone to gyno or not so rather get some letro. IF gyno signs appear then use the letro. Pointless running something expensive like adex if u not even sure if ur gyno prone. As for PCT the standard clomiphene, tamofixen and HCG will be sufficient.

MCJ you cant speak like that to a guy that gained 17kg in a couple of weeks. Be careful, he is probably weighing in at 121kg now

relax guys.. I also had my go at VonD admittedly but there is no need to extend this, especially in a new guys thread.. Maybe shift over to the off topic/chat thread..

peace..

MCJ wrote: Damn VonD, frontload, bridging, adex, increased test.....its the guys FIRST cycle!

@Stanabolic....Test only for a first cycle is just fine. You don't need to add something for a frontload. As for bridging, wait a bit till ur more experienced enough and when u start adding other compounds. As for the test, 400mg/week for 10 weeks is just perfect. Extra 100mg won't make that big a difference and u will respond great on test alone at that dose for a first timer. No need for adex as u won't know if u are prone to gyno or not so rather get some letro. IF gyno signs appear then use the letro. Pointless running something expensive like adex if u not even sure if ur gyno prone. As for PCT the standard clomiphene, tamofixen and HCG will be sufficient.

Frontloading is standard to a first cycle.A lot of the guys on this forum bridge even on a beginner cycle.It just helps with maintaining gains.The test increase is 100mg come on now... 500 mg is the standard some guys go with test e @ 600mg so i dont see the problem as for the adex i said he can use letro or adex it depends on the amount he wishes to spend.

Please point out the where i gave bad advice

Vond hasn't actually handed out any bad advice at all to be honest,he is correct in what he is saying...500mg test is right,having an ai on hand is right,bridging to pct is correct too,and pct 2 is good aswell,he has done everything by the books... Abc01 I sense some sarcasm in your post bro,look vond has learnt a lot on this forum so the advice is solid,if he gained 17kgs(even by putting new batteries in the scale) then who are we to judge if he followed everything by the book,quality gear,quality food,quality supplements,quality sleep and not overtraining is the combination needed for good muscle growth. Before and after pics are needed to prove what he is saying I do agree,but the advice is correct.

My comment has nothing to do with VonD's cycle at all.

All I'm saying is that its not necessary to complicate the cycle seeing as its a first cycle. Adding something for a frontload is an option and not a "standard" although many cycles suggest it. I don't see the point in forking out unnecessary cash for adex when letro will be sufficient (in this instance). I never said u were wrong with 500mg test suggestion. What I said was 400mg is enough and that an extra 100mg won't make that much difference on this cycle. Remember many guys start off with even 300mg/week. There is a difference in taking what members say from their experience and passing that on as advice and your own personal experience with gear, which in your case you are doing your first cycle as well. From experience most here will say between 300-500mg is sufficient to enough for a first cycle and 400mg falls nicely in the middle.

As for the bridging etc all I'm saying is why complicate it for the guy? See how u respond to test first then worry about frontloading and bridging on the next cycles.

VonD, don't get ur nickers in a knot and be so defensive. I'm not the one chowing ur karma...yet. In fact I will bump u up +1 later as I did last night as well. I never said u gave bad advice. Our opinions just differ slightly but no one is "wrong".

@ABC...Then he will be in my size range

VD wrote: Frontloading is standard to a first cycle.A lot of the guys on this forum bridge even on a beginner cycle.It just helps with maintaining gains.The test increase is 100mg come on now... 500 mg is the standard some guys go with test e @ 600mg so i dont see the problem as for the adex i said he can use letro or adex it depends on the amount he wishes to spend.

Front loading is not necessary for first cycle, but since most young guys who come for their first cycle are impatient and irrational the norm has become to recommend some Dbol so they can see some water and strength in the first few weeks. The swelling helps to get those stretch marks they will regret post cycle and the extra strength gain helps them to push weights beyond what they are ready for helping them to injure themselves.

Bridging does not help keep gains anymore than the tapering test will until your test drops under normal levels. However it does help to harden up by skewing the estrogen ratio, which help newbs who didn't sort there diet out and chomped a bunch of Dbols. It does help to provide extra gains and strength at the end of the cycle, which is nice, but not necessary for the first cycle. It also eliminates the natural test taper which results in a bigger crash and makes PCT essential.

Years ago Test was recommended for a first cycle at 200mg-300mg for the first cycle. Now the recommendation is 500mg-600mg for a first cycle. Yet gains are the same... Why did this happen? Is it because the world became immune to testosterone administered exogenously, or is it because pharma grade gear dropped in accessibility and the market was flooded with cheap ass shit UG lab gear. Of course the suppliers posting on the broscience forum had to compensate for this, so dosages went up. Get a reputable brand like PGW and you do not have this problem. 200mg-300mg is the standard for a first cycle.

VD this is not an attack on your post, you are merely regurgitating the volumes of bad advice currently being shat out over the internet. This is a rant on the current state of poor first cycle advice and views.

Glad to see I'm not alone on this one.

@Inja think u made a typo and added an extra 0 to the 300mg at the end of the post.

First time I injected test many years ago was the adcock depotrone amps. I pinned just one amp a week on a sunday - 200mg. Yep it was pharma grade and not UG and I had damn good results on that dosage. Decent strength too. I didn't know much about diet etc back then and considering that the gains on 200mg/week wasn't bad at all.

+1

Alot of us remember depotrone bro. Good stuff!
Experience and wisdom...

Inja wrote:

VD wrote: Frontloading is standard to a first cycle.A lot of the guys on this forum bridge even on a beginner cycle.It just helps with maintaining gains.The test increase is 100mg come on now... 500 mg is the standard some guys go with test e @ 600mg so i dont see the problem as for the adex i said he can use letro or adex it depends on the amount he wishes to spend.

Front loading is not necessary for first cycle, but since most young guys who come for their first cycle are impatient and irrational the norm has become to recommend some Dbol so they can see some water and strength in the first few weeks. The swelling helps to get those stretch marks they will regret post cycle and the extra strength gain helps them to push weights beyond what they are ready for helping them to injure themselves.

Bridging does not help keep gains anymore than the tapering test will until your test drops under normal levels. However it does help to harden up by skewing the estrogen ratio, which help newbs who didn't sort there diet out and chomped a bunch of Dbols. It does help to provide extra gains and strength at the end of the cycle, which is nice, but not necessary for the first cycle. It also eliminates the natural test taper which results in a bigger crash and makes PCT essential.

Years ago Test was recommended for a first cycle at 200mg-300mg for the first cycle. Now the recommendation is 500mg-600mg for a first cycle. Yet gains are the same... Why did this happen? Is it because the world became immune to testosterone administered exogenously, or is it because pharma grade gear dropped in accessibility and the market was flooded with cheap ass shit UG lab gear. Of course the suppliers posting on the broscience forum had to compensate for this, so dosages went up. Get a reputable brand like PGW and you do not have this problem. 200mg-300mg is the standard for a first cycle.

VD this is not an attack on your post, you are merely regurgitating the volumes of bad advice currently being shat out over the internet. This is a rant on the current state of poor first cycle advice and views.

All good bro

Inja wrote: +1

Alot of us remember depotrone bro. Good stuff!
Experience and wisdom...

Yeah I kinda miss the old Depotrone. Was easy to get hold of. Nicely dosed all in one amp and worked like a charm. Still have an empty box at home.